In 2010 Bryan Bruce decided to apply his criminal investigative methods to the ultimate cold case : Who Killed Jesus and Why?

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  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    TVNZ tonight, Sunday, at 8:30pm

    In 2010 Bryan Bruce decided to apply his criminal investigative methods to the ultimate cold case : Who Killed Jesus and Why?

    Jesus The Cold Case screens 24th July at 8.30pm

    There will be a live discussion of this programme online after it's screened. Click here to join the debate after 10.30pm on Sunday.

    In 2010 Bryan Bruce decided to apply his criminal investigative methods to the ultimate cold case : Who Killed Jesus and Why?

    The traditional answer - the Jews - has just been rejected by Pope Benedict XVI, who endorses the finding of Vatican II in 1965 that the Jewish people "as a whole " were not responsible for the death of Jesus. Rather that it was the Jewish authorities who organised for Jesus to be executed by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate.

    But Bruce doubts that even this version of events ever happened.

    In an investigation that ranges across three continents, Bruce sets out to discover who Jesus was and what he did that resulted in his death on a Roman cross. The impressive list of scholars he consults includes:

    - Emeritus Prof. Geza Vermes (Oxford)
    - Emeritus Prof John Dominic Crossan ( St Pauls)
    - Prof. Elaine Paigels (Princeton)
    - Bishop John Shelby- Spong (USA)
    - Prof. Lloyd Geering (New Zealand)
    - Dr Helen Bond ( Edinburgh)
    - Prof . Israel Herschkovitz (Tel Aviv)
    - Dr Shimon Gibson (London )

    You can watch a preview of Jesus The Cold Case here.

  • Intel

    "Dr. Watson, we have three suspects in the Jesus case. Have you noticed that suspect No. 2 has the wrong hat?" I think, I'm into something...

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  • still thinking
    still thinking

    cool black sheep...thanks for the reminder and the link...

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Account has to be taken of the person who wrote the account, when it was written, who edited it, and the conditions at each time.

    Some parts could not have been known by the original writer (such as what Pilate's wife said); the disciples abandoned Jesus, so how did they know what happened?; and most seriously, the accounts differ. They are not reliable eyewitness accounts.

    As the Christian movements evolved from being simply a splinter Jewish movement, animosity grew. (Not that the movement was a united bunch, even from the start.) By the time some of these accounts were written, it was decided that the Jews should take the blame, so their writings reflected that later anti-Semitism.

    Who killed Jesus? The Romans murdered him. This fate was not uncommon for any person appearing whom the Romans might consider posed a potential threat to their control.


  • steve2

    Apparently there is more historical "proof" that Mohammed existed than Jesus. It wil be interesting if the documentary concludes that the historical support for Jesus even existed in the first place is meagre.

  • glenster

    The charge of deicide against Jewish people as a whole is bigotry and has led to
    Jewish persecution.

    God is responsible: “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene,
    a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God
    performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know—this Man,
    delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to
    a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death." (Acts 2:22,23)

    Jesus was executed by Roman authorities as a show of Roman authority over a
    perceived threat to it. (1 Cor.2:7,8)

    The Bible refers to Jewish followers and detractors and other circumstances.

    A number of Jesus' Jewish contemporaries basically shared Paul's initial
    offense to Jesus. Saul of Tarsus (Paul) sought with "zeal" to destroy members
    of the early Christian group ("all who call upon Jesus' name," Acts 9:14, and
    "seeking to make them blaspheme," 26:11) as a perceived deviation of proper
    Jewish monotheism. "In Jewish tradition of the time, 'zeal' (which features in
    Paul’s statements about his persecution of Jewish believers) typically alludes
    to Phinehas’ violent action against a fellow Israelite (Num. 25:1-13), whom he
    saw as collaborating in the efforts of the Moabites to promote worship of their
    gods among Israel; and similar forceful actions could be justified, even re-
    quired, in cases where fellow Jews were guilty of serious violations of Torah
    such as idolatry, apostasy, seduction by false prophets, and perjury."

    Paul was brought before Jewish authorities (2 Cor,11:16-33), etc. See pp.15-
    17 at the next link.

    Paul prayed to Jesus once joining the Christians (2 Cor.12:7-9).

    The best indicated direct reason for the crucifixion: "So the most likely
    crime for which Jesus was crucified is reflected in the Gospels' account of the
    charge attached to Jesus' cross: 'King of the Jews.' That is, either Jesus
    himself claimed to be the Jewish royal messiah, or his followers put out this
    claim. That would do to get yourself crucified by the Romans."

  • steve2

    The documentary was too long by half and sagged due to an excess of talking heads who spouted their own theories. The academic who spoke - at length - about John the Baptist was probably closer to the "truth" than the biblical stories of the man; but their theories about Jesus's attitude towards John were pure speculation. I could imagine fundamentalists' eyes glazing over as BB took assorted potshots at the g.ospels rather than sticking to the topic (using investigative methods to estalish who kill the man called Jesus).

    This documentary was ready for screening last Easter - but apparently TVNZ backed away (and so did a lot of advertisers then) until now

  • cameo-d

    Others may have instigated the plot and arranged the trials and fraudulent witnesses.... but the scriptures very clearly state who sentenced Jesus to death.

    It was by popular vote of the masses.

    "Jesus or Barnabas?"

    The people spoke and apparently, the majority pronounced the death decree.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    think that was

    Barabbas.... ;)


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