What they DON'T tell you

by Black Man 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • InterestedOne

    Do they tell a new recruit about the s-77 and s-79 forms? Consider what Marvin Shilmer points out (http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/05/s-77-and-s-79-disfellowshipping-and.html):

    With these forms any illusion of clergy-penitent confidential communication evaporates because these forms are precisely for the purpose of disclosing these communications to a third-party—the Watchtower organization—and doing so without informing the penitent, who has every reason to think their communication is shared within the strict confidence of themselves and those present for any confession.

    Also consider his comment on the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/210132/1/S-77-and-S-79-Disfellowshipping-and-Disassociation-forms regarding a California ruling:

    I have added images of a court ruling from California determining that the penitential communication privilege does not exist for Watchtower style judicial hearings because what is learned in these hearings is required to be communicated to Watchtower headquarters. The S-77 and S-79 forms are part of that communication.


    They DONT tell you a man oif a man has homo sex or sex with an animal it is NOT adultery (according to WT 1974)

    yet his poor wife who divorces him will be DISFELLOWSHIPPED.

  • inbetween

    Regarding adults, its true, future witnesses get lots of information, what it means to be a witness, also disfellowshipping and blood issue is part of the study and questions leading up to babtism.


    it does not apply to minors, they are just not able to evaluate all the implications of the matter


    in general the information presented is very one-sided, (example blood issue), the other sides are either ignored or misrepresented.

    however, in defense of the witnesses, I have to say, no matter what you are getting yourself (as adult) into, may it be a contract, or a religion, or political party, you have the responsibility and especially today also the possibility to make extent research. If you decide maybe only based on emotional reasons, then to a point, its your fault. Any religion or company or whatever will always give the best impression of their own. Its up to the "competition" to point out the flaws.

    The fact, that the whole handling of dfd is unbiblical, harsh and full of rules is another story.

  • Heaven

    Or you could go with what they do tell you that hasn't panned out. Like the no-show of Armageddon or the ever changing 'this generation' definition or the changing blood policy or the fact that they used to celebrate Christmas or that heaven was closed in 1935 but somehow had to be reopened.

    Man, I'm gettin' nauseous just typing all that.

  • blondie

    I agree with OTWO.

    jws edit their beliefs from the official WTS stand and what they can believe.

    I find that most jws cannot believe that God is going to destroy all non-jws at Armaggeddon. They sidestep saying that God knows what in the heart and individual jws can't judge despite many quotes we know of that say the opposite. They can't fathom or accept that all their non-jw relatives and/or friends will be destroyed because they know they are good people. How can they believe that all children and babies will descend into eternal death because of their parents. So they set up an individual belief system. Even if you show them the publications they will close their ears.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    they dont tell them whats in the elders book thats for sure!

    in fact, they don't tell them that there is an elders book... nor a package on how to lie in court to get custody of kids either.


  • punkofnice

    I agree with Blondie about the 'who wil God kill at armageddonTM which is coming soon (terms and conditions apply and subject to overlapping)

    .......they rationalise: 'God reads hearts.' (I say if that's so then what's the point of preaching). Yet their very magazine seems quite specific in my mind:

    *** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***

    Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4) They will make up the "flesh" that Jesus Christ said would be saved through the worst tribulation of all human history

  • man in black
    man in black

    Hello Blackman !

    regarding the child abuse statements made before, I just received this article, hope you find it helpful :


  • ProdigalSon

    I don't know if anybody mentioned this yet but....

    If you leave, and you happen to work for a JW, kiss your job goodbye....

  • leavingwt

    One thing they don't tell you:

    If you are a parent, and you learn from your child that Elder Jones has molested him, you will be forbidden to warn other parents, IF Elder Jones denies the sexual violence.

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