Abusive Women and manipulation

by Lady Lee 62 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    The other day we were talking about abusive mothers (Toxic Relationships). I was sent this link today and think it is worth sharing. I think it is an excellent article. Too often we think of men as the abusers. But in reality many women do their own thing and can be just as abusive emotionally and psychologically.

    The article is titled Abusive Women, Cults, Braiwashing and Deprogramming, Part I I will draw out some highlights. The perspective presented is that women who abuse use the same mind control techniques that cults use. Personally I would turn that around and say the techniques are the same regardless if it is a man. woman or an organization but the author is still making some excellent points that I think we can all benefit from.

    The author starts by presenting Singer's 6 conditions for thought reform:

    1. “Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how he is being changed one step at a time.” Not a problem since most abusive women are only vaguely aware of what they’re doing or completely unaware.
    2. “Control the person’s social and/or physical environment; especially control the person’s time.”She doesn’t want you talking to outsiders who might challenge the “reality” she feeds you or her authority.
    3. Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person.” She instills a sense of learned helplessness within you by placing you in no-win situations.
    4. Manipulate a system of rewards and punishments in order to inhibit the person’s natural personality and behavior. The goal is to break you down and turn you into a handpuppet.
    5. Manipulate a system of rewards and punishments in order to promote the group’s ideology or belief system and group-approved behaviors. In other words, she’s right. She’s always right. Don’t question her. Don’t challenge her. She always comes first. You live to serve.
    6. “Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership approval or executive order. The group has a top-down, pyramid structure. The leader must have verbal ways of never losing“ (1996, p.64-69). Most abusive women are mental and verbal contortionists/escape artists. They can twist the most obvious set of facts into a Gordian knot or find ways to evade the conversation by changing the subject or attacking you on a new front.

    I know in my life my mother was an expert at this. But worse for me was when I was in a relationship with a woman who was far far better then my mother at using these techniques. I hadn't looked at cults and how thye control people. But after learning about how cults control people I could see exactly how she manipulated me. It was a dreadful time in my life made worse becasue I was convinced I had it all together.

    Part 2 goes into more detail

    Techniques Used by Cults and Abusive Women

    1. Isolation. Emotional predators and cult recruiters isolate you from the outside world. They make you totally dependent upon them, which makes you more susceptible to their distorted reality and other abusive behaviors. They “cut [you] off from the outside world. . . to produce intense introspection, confusion, loss of perspective and a distorted sense of reality. The members of the cult become the person’s only social contact and feedback mechanism” (Layton). Sound familiar?

    Abusive intimate partners isolate you in a multitude of ways. For example, they explicitly forbid you from seeing or speaking with your friends and family. They start smear campaigns against them—”Your family is so controlling. They’re dysfunctional. It’s unhealthy for us to be around them. Your friends are a bad influence. They’re disrespectful to me. It’s me or them.” They schedule activities or plan crises that conflict with holidays or special occasions—e.g., she gets a migraine when you’re supposed to have dinner with your parents or desperately needs your help when you’re supposed to go out with your friends. Spending time with friends and family means you don’t really care about her, don’t respect her, she’s not important to you, you’re a momma’s boy, you’re an immature jerk, blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.

    2. Thought Stopping. Cults use methods like chanting, meditating and repetitive activities to induce a state of suggestibility and to help the target shut off their ability to engage in critical thinking. Abusive women use non-stop talking, verbal tirades, rage episodes and withdrawing in cold silence which causes you to obsessively ruminate about what you did to upset her rather than wondering what in the hell is wrong with her. Thought stopping techniques include anything that gets you to turn off your better judgment, reasoning and any counter narratives such as, “This is nuts and I need to get out of here.”

    3. Induced Dependency. “Cults demand absolute, unquestioning devotion, loyalty and submission. A cult member’s sense of self is systematically destroyed. Ultimately, feelings of worthlessness and “evil” become associated with independence and critical thinking, and feelings of warmth and love become associated with unquestioning submission” (Layton). The same is true of abusive relationships. Taking care of yourself and healthy pursuits are seen as a betrayal to her. Love means control.

    Inducing dependency employs several techniques including:

    a. Fear and Guilt. This involves sharing secrets, fears and other intimate “confessions.” Abusers use this information to create instant intimacy and to keep their targets in an emotionally vulnerable state by using covert and overt threats and alternating punishment and reward. She accomplishes this by:

    • Punishing you for any doubts, challenges to her “authority” and your ties to friends, family and colleagues through criticism and alienation. They are bad and you are bad if you continue these associations. You are bad if you question, challenge or disagree with her. She turns everything around so that you feel bad for speaking the truth and pointing out the facts of a situation. To quote a client’s wife, “The truth is mean. Facts are mean.” I kid you not. I heard the audio recording. You receive “love” or are “rewarded” (or aren’t actively abused) when you renounce your other relationships and your own will.
    • Making you feel bad, embarrassed, worthless, ashamed, guilty or afraid to express any special skills, talents or gifts you have. They’ll punish you for being creative, musical, outgoing, funny, business savvy, competent or any quality you possess that makes you feel good and that she envies. This causes identity confusion and diminishes your self-worth.
    • Alternating love and praise with contempt and punishment to keep you unbalanced and confused. This creates feelings of self-doubt and a desire to “work harder” to please her. It also makes you cling to belief that the kind and loving person is her real self and that the abusive behaviors are an aberration. In reality, the opposite is true.
    • Making you publicly confess your “sins.” This subjects you to public scorn and ridicule, which induces self-doubt, shame and a sense of worthlessness. You are loved again when you publicly commit to devoting yourself to her and her happiness. Several men have told me they were coerced into making public confessions about how they “wronged” or “sinned” against their girlfriend/wife via Facebook and other social media websites. It’s crazy. They did it in a vain attempt to finally prove how much they loved these women. If your partner tries to get you to publicly shame yourself, you need to end the relationship. This is beyond abusive. A person who really loves you protects you from public scorn; they don’t subject you to it.
    • Putting you in no-win situations. Creating double-binds to ensure that you fail. No matter what you do, you’re wrong. This creates a sense of learned helplessness and increases your dependency.
    • Punishing you for the sins of others. If your mother is disrespectful to her, it’s your fault. If the kids are misbehaving, it’s your fault. If one of the other school mothers snubs her, it’s your fault. If something doesn’t go her way it’s your fault. If anything goes wrong, it’s your fault.
    • Holding you to unrealistic and super-human expectations of perfection. This keeps you in a perpetual state of jumping through hoops in order to make yourself worthy of her. When in reality nothing you ever do will be good enough. You will never measure up.

    b. Sensory Overloadand Deprivation. She dismantles your self-perceptions, beliefs and values by telling you that you’re wrong, bad, sick, dysfunctional, angry, selfish or evil. She then feeds you her version of reality—how you should feel and how you should act “if you really love me…” or “a real man would…”—in a relentless torrent with little or no chance for critical examination. She accomplishes this by:

    • Making you account for every minute of your time and monopolizing your time You have no time to yourself or with others. If you’re not actively paying attention to her, you’re performing tasks for her. This leaves you little time to focus on yourself or to engage in effective reality testing.
    • Criticizing everything you do. This includes criticizing what you eat, how you eat, what you wear, how you talk, how you laugh, how you take care of the children, how you drive, how you do the dishes, how you fold the laundry, how much money you make, how undesirable you are, etc.
    • Stripping away your autonomy. She decides where you’ll go on vacation, how to discipline the children and how to spend the money you earn. When she gives you the illusion of choice, it’s usually a set-up for failure or disappointment. Alternatively, she doesn’t offer suggestions. When you ask for guidance, she makes you feel stupid for not intuitively knowing what she wants you to do.
    • Depriving you of sleep, sustenance and other basic physiological and safety needs. This includes sex, money, shelter, stability, material resources and emotional support. This keeps you destabilized and vulnerable.
    • Taking control of your finances including credit cards, bank accounts, stocks and other assets and making you account for every nickel you spend. Taking charge of the finances is another control technique. If she controls the cash or you’re worried about losing your assets, it makes it difficult for you to leave. If you try to hold her financially accountable, she accuses you of being controlling.
    • 4. A Sense of Dread. Once dependency is induced, you develop a persistent sense of dread. You’re always waiting for the other shoe to drop and are hypervigiliant to triggering the displeasure or wrath of your “leader.” If you don’t keep her happy—an impossible task, by the way—she makes your life a living hell.

      She rages at you, belittles you, denies you affection or ignores you as if you don’t exist. Because she’s isolated you, you may not feel like there’s anyone you can turn to for support. You probably believe no one else will ever love you and that you couldn’t live without her. You try to “act right” and learn how not to trigger her.

      “Indoctrination, or thought reform, is a long process that never really ends. Members are continually subjected to these techniques. . . Some adjust well to it after a period of time, embracing their new role as “group member” and casting aside their old sense of independence. For others, it’s a perpetually stressful existence” (Layton). Many men become desensitized to the abusive behaviors and let the fear of real and imagined punishment keep them stuck. Breaking free of a cult or an abusive relationship can be difficult and often terrifying, but it must be done if you want a chance at health and happiness

    I haven't talked a lot about this woman but this article really screams at me when it comes to what she did. I will talk about that in another post.

  • dgp
    dgp

    I'll be waiting for it, Lady Lee.

  • Joliette
    Joliette

    This is very true. Often we think of men as being the abusers, but women do more mental abusing then men do. My mother could be very mentally abusive toward my lil brother. The most tragic part of it was my mother would act totally different towards me. She favored me over my brother. I dont know which one is worst, being the one that is abused, or the one that is NOT being abused.

  • LV101
    LV101

    Lady Lee --- thanks for this great info. I'm always comparing the abuse of my egg donor (borrowing blondie's term) to the watchtower in many ways. I'm ordering the book.

  • avishai
    avishai

    Thanks for posting, I think many of us feel immune to this, would'nt enter a Church, much less an amway mtg. But unwittingly would fall right into something like this and not even know.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    1. Isolation. First off this was a very peculiar relationship in that is wasn't sexual (although something did happen a couple of times in 3 years) but we were none the less "involved". Within a couple of days of meeting this person she had told me she was suicidal and could not be alone. At the time my mission in life was the "help" people so I invited her to stay with me for a couple of days until her suicidal thoughts passed. After a couple of weeks she had basically moved in and slowly started taking over my life. She really manipulated my need to take care of people and used it at every opportunity to get what she wanted. She was depressed? I was going to help her? She convinced me that some of the other people in my life were just using me and dragging me down. Before the month was over she had me isolated from everyone I was close to. All by getting me to take care of her and her needs.

    If she was depressed I was to drop everything and be there for her, listen to her, support her and let her cry on my shoulder. This wasn't a whole lot different from what I did with my mother so I was used to it. It was familiar territory and I thought that was how friendships should be. Every minute I wasn't working or in school she was there. I would come put of class and she would be waiting - with more problem. She was lonely, or depressed or sometimes even doing well enough to bring me food (a hook)

    2. Thought Stopping

    "Abusive women use non-stop talking, verbal tirades, rage episodes and withdrawing in cold silence which causes you to obsessively ruminate about what you did to upset her rather than wondering what in the hell is wrong with her. Thought stopping techniques include anything that gets you to turn off your better judgment, reasoning and any counter narratives such as, “This is nuts and I need to get out of here.”

    Totally her. She never shut up. She even talked to me when I was sleeping. (Yes she was too afraid to sleep in her own room so wound up in my bedroom) My mind was numb.

    3. Induced Dependency I was so exhausted from her incessant problems that I wasn't functioning at my normal level which meant she had to pick up the slack making me more dependant on her.

    • Fear and Guilt. As close friends do I confided some things to her. She managed to convince me that I had taken advantage of her sexually (which never happened) and triggered all my guilt and shame from my past. And she manipulated that for all it was worth. Every time I tried to change something she would remind me of how I had "abused" her and I would shut up. No matter what I did it wasn't good enough. I had to be everything to her and meet all her needs all the time.
    • Sensory Overload and Deprivation. The Talking. She never stopped. She would come into my room and start talking until 3 or 4 in the morning and I would have to be up by 7 to get to school. I was exhausted all the time. I eventually told her I had to sleep and she didn't like that so I told her that she could stay there and keep talking if it helped her but I had to sleep. I wound up getting more sleep but it still wasn't enough for me. She totally changed my diet saying what I was eating was garbage so started cooking for me because clearly I was too stupid to know how to cook a decent meal. (This after I had raised 2 healthy kids). Because she had more time she did the shopping so she had access to my money.

    4. A Sense of Dread I never knew what to expect with her. She could be depressed or she could put on a good face and pretend she was doing something nice for me. Or she could be in a rage about something. But I never knew what it would be.

    It took me 6 months to figure out what happened after she left - to prey on someone else. I felt like I had just been run over and didn't know what happened so I started writing and writing. 37 pages I wrote a letter to her and put it away and took it out and added some things and took away other things. I started learning about mind control and what it is and began to see the patterns. This took 6 months. I wasn't planning to ever give it to her but she called one day and wanted to talk. hmmmmm OK

    So I looked my letter over and realized I had all the pieces and took it with me. When we met I told her before she said anything I wanted her to read what I had - I had it pared down to 6 pages. She read the letter and said she wanted to think about it before she said anything and would I wait. She took off for a half hour and came back and said everything in the letter was true.

    After going through this I now know what to look out for and I don't hang around very long when I see someone using these techniques on me or the other people around them.

    It is one thing to know what these things are. It is another to examine them in the light of someone who has done this or of any organization we may be connected with whether that is a job or a religion or any other group we associate with.

  • WontLeave
    WontLeave

    A good book to read about relationships with toxic women is That Bitch (US title: Venus - The Dark Side). The main focus is on marriage/romantic relationships, but once a personality disorder is identified, it's easy to see it play out in other interactions. The manipulation of family and friends becomes obvious. Actions and words once completely inexplicable suddenly fall into place, when motivations are realized. It talks about the various personality disorders Western societies let women get away with, because of the scorched-earth attack of feminism, where women are default victims. Not to downplay male abusers, but what male abusers do is illegal; the law and society crucify them (here and now). Women with narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder (sociopaths), etc. play the legal system like a fiddle to wreak further damage on men who have suffered at their hands for years. Divorce courts eagerly take the man's children, house, car, money and the police whisk him away to jail for made-up domestic violence charges after enduring lying, cheating, humiliation, character assassination, emotional torture, manipulation, gold-digging, etc. for the entire relationship.

  • Joliette
    Joliette

    My mom used to call my brother 'lil satan.'

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I object to abusive women and the reptition of abuse and women. While it is true that society judges male abuse worse than female abuse, I strongly think this is due to the fact that men are physically stronger. In NY, women won the right to be firefighters equal with men. Objective tests were used to test anyone's capacity to the job. This was the rub. Years went by before any woman qualified. Police women could pass objective police requirements. The traits shown apply to men and women equally. Women are not bitches.

    In the sixties, people would argue we needed women in high office b/c women want peace and are inherently more democratic. Indira Gandhi emerged, followed by Margaret Thatcher. They proved women can be dictators and wagers of war equally with men. The individual is the key. Most rapes are not male-female rapes. The vast majorit of rapes occur in prison and are male-male. I am ever mindful of where I wll end up if I need to defend myself against a man, particularly with upper body strength. While unpleasant, most men can fight off homosexual advances.

    It is good to be reminded that women are just as capable of bad behavior. We are an equal opportunity species.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    You know it was a lot easier to deal with the sexual abuse and the physical abuse. They are easy to identify. But the emotional and psychological abuse used by the men in my life was nothing compared to the women. I thought my mother was a good parent because she wasn't as bad as my father. No that she didn't hit us. I got my last beating from her when I was 17.

    I clearly had a lot to learn. The way she treated me set me up for so much more abuse in my life. The psychological and emotional crap is so hard to identify. I was an easy target for this woman who took over my life.

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