Can't read apostacy, can't question God

by Joey Jo-Jo 10 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo


    im looking into quotes and references from the WBTS about not being allowed to read apostacy and not to question god and test faith.


  • Ding

    2/1/1952 WT, p. 80: "We should meekly go along with the Lord's theocratic organization and wait for further clarification, rather than balk at the first mention of a thought unpalatable to us and proceed to quibble and mouth our criticisms and opinions as though they were worth more than the slave's provision of spiritual food. Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lord's visible organization and not be so foolish as to pit against Jehovah's channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings... After being nourished to our present spiritual strength and maturity, do we suddenly become smarter than our former provider and forsake the enlightening guidance of the organization that mothered us?"

    10/1/1967 WT, p. 587: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, no matter how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

    1/15/1983 WT, p. 27: "... just as in the first century there was only one true Christian organization, so also today Jehovah is using only one organization. Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue: `This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe.' This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous? Such thinking is evidence of pride... If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves, `Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization? No, we cannot!"

    3/1/1983 WT, p. 25: "On occasion, opposers will question the various teachings that Jehovah's people hold in common... They may also question the need for an organization to direct the minds of God's people... What, then, is our position toward those who oppose and seek to undermine the faith we have received through Jehovah's Witnesses and the Christian organization Jehovah is using? Jesus' counsel regarding opposers is: `Let them be. Blind guides is what they are.' (Matthew 15:14). To quarrel with such ones, to debate and argue, is futile and really not the Christian's course."

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    Can't read apostacy, can't question God


    If you can't question god, who can you question? I mean if god is that thin skinned, that he doesn't allow questions then what's the point?

    As for "apostacy", that's a relative term depending entirely on one's point of view. To the Jews, wasn't Jesus an apostate?

    Just askin'.

  • moshe

    One of the things I now realize that is so wierd about JWs is that they never have honest discussions about how they feel. Any negative feelings or opinons of the WT or and it's dogmas is strictly taboo for JWs and somehow they dance around that prohibition, while never admitting to themselves that they live a totally censored life.

  • darkuncle29

    10/1/1967 WT, p. 587: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, no matter how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

    Isn't that remarkably similar to the Catholic Church's view, trying to keep the bible out of the hands of the laity?

  • mochamint22

    So yeah, cant read apostacy! I don't have any quotes BUT I wanna tell you guys about something that just happened tonight:

    I was talking to my little bro, whos still an active witness, and he tells me that he just got put on private reproof this past monday for fornicating with his worldly ex-girlfriend. He had the judicial committe and they said since he went to them about it, they just put him on private reproof. He's not even sorry about it. I wonder if they referred to the elder book before the meeting??? He said he wasn't crying or distraught, or worried about it at all. He seriously doesn't care about it and would do it again. As I was talking to him tonight, he was bringing up a porn web page. And I asked him, why are you looking at porn? He said," porn's not fornication. It's different. " Comments people please. help me understand this???


    i started talking to him about C T Russell's early teachings and how the NWT doesn't match the other versions, false "prophesies", and asked him what he thinks about it. He said, "I don't think anything about it." He acknowledged that it makes sense why I'm questioning everything, but he is so INSIDE the organization's mentality, he said that it makes sense that there would be changes in the NWT because it helps people understand the bible better. He said, there's no way the bible can have contradictions so they have to fix that. I'm like DUH THATS MY POINT EXACTLY. WHY BELIEVE IN SOMEONE WHO CHANGES THE PURE WORD OF GOD? He also said that there was no comment made about this "new light" with the overlapping generations mentioned at his convention so that means that it's not true. apostate source material. HMMMMM




    They must protect their Meme, like all cults do.

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    Ding and darkuncle29 thanks!

    Big Tex: Isn't mind control great, you get to be a spiritual babe for the rest of your life without realising it.

    mochamint22: You really have to read In Search Of Christian Freedom and Crisis Of Conscience by Ray Franz, also Captives Of A Concept and Combatting Cult Mind Control, it helped me a lot. Regarding everyone still in I see your point, even people that are "spiritualy weak" believe it to be the "truth" and nothing but the "truth". I tell my parents what I learned, it goes from one ear and comes out the other, I think it would be a lot easier to convince them to read these so called apostate books but its never easy, e.g. my dad is aware that the society has made mistakes but the religion itself is great because it fixes the problems like he said in russel's time they believe in the cross and celebrated christmas. There are good scripture in the bible that talks about false prophets, a good tree does not bear bad fruit therefore God's prophet can not bare false prophecy, but still regarding my parents it goes into the left ear and comes out the right, its like when ever I open my mouth and say something they dont agree on their brains switch off and turn back on when I shut up. Maybe in time these things will sink in, but I live under their roof so I have to respect the norms of the house and tolerate over peoples believe (even if they are false), so its ok for them to go out preaching but its not ok for me to preach to them.

  • blondie

    Abraham and Moses both questioned God and the WTS gives them a thumbs up for doing it...but don't question the WTS.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    The apostates have masterd Jedi Mind Tricks that the Jehovah Sock-Puppet and the GibberingBiddies de Bethel can't figure out.

    Even now, I have taken control of your mind. Sometime in the next half-hour, you will blink.

    Tomorrow, something will happen that will leave you puzzled.

    Tuesday, the stock marklet will continue to oscillate.

    Waves will roll in to shore.

    ALL by my command.

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