Stairway to heaven

by exwhyzee 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • exwhyzee

    I remember in the 70's my friends Mom started partaking of the emblems. She said she had developed a preoccupation with heaven and of wanting to know everything she could about Jehovah and could hardly go a minute without reading the literature or the Bible...even while on the toilet. Her formerly "opposing" husband had recently studied and gotten baptized. He was very upset because he just had gotten on board with the whole idea of living forever in paradise and now his wife was going to be in heaven and he and their four kids would never see her again. Their son used to say this was his Mom's favorite song. Of course he was the kid who later admitted he was high on Mescaline while giving talks in the ministry school.

    I had never thought about how upsetting it would be to realize you might live for eternity in paradise but would never see your mom (or other anointed loved one) again...but they would be watching you for all eternity.

    Does anyone know what the annointed will do in heaven for eternity once the seperating work or judgement work is done? I don't remember anything being said about that.


    Does anyone know the meaning of the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven (Led Zeppelin)? It seems to have some kind of religious meaning. I think “buying the stairway to heaven” means all the wealth that goes into organized religion and this makes the song writer “wonder” about ulterior motives that may be associated with religion.

    And he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls and had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication. And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.” Revelation 17:3-5
    "Stairway To Heaven"

    There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
    And she's buying the stairway to heaven.
    When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
    With a word she can get what she came for.
    Ooh, ooh, and she's buying the stairway to heaven.

    There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
    'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.
    In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings,
    Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.
    Ooh, it makes me wonder,
    Ooh, it makes me wonder.

  • flipper

    Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin has always been MY favorite all time song. I want this song played at my funeral and all my JW relatives forced to sit and listen to every single word. Peace out, mr. Flipper

  • wasblind

    “buying the stairway to heaven” means all the wealth that goes into organized religion and this makes the song writer “wonder” about ulterior motives that may be associated with religion.

    I think that's a pretty good assumption. You got more from the lyrics than i did.

    I honestly didn't know where to start.

  • exwhyzee

    Like just about anythng someone else can mean different things to different people. Some say the song is about the Lord of the Rings...others say it is about materialism vs. spirituality. Imagine the ongoing debate there would be if these lyrics had been written thousands of years ago and your life depended on knowing the right meaning. Hmmm...that sounds familiar.

    This is the best explaination I've seen about this awesome song....

  • JediMaster
    but they would be watching you for all eternity.

    That idea always used to be very awkward kinda creepy to me.


  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Hey Flipper, have them play it *backwards* at your funeral. That would have the Dubs in a tizzy.

  • aquagirl

    If Fliper has any dubs at his funeral{?} Ill bet they would be cool enough to get it...Long,long time away,hopefully.

  • wobble

    The 144,000 concept comes from Revelation, which also has Heavenly Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven to Earth. The Kingdom Interlinear has "stepping down" under the Gk. words.

    They are going to need a stairway to step down, so once Led Zep have gone up, perhaps the 144,00 can use it to step down.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    The doctrine of an earthly class and a heavenly class is patently false. Once you pass from this state of existence, all beings are resurrected after an unspecified time in Paradise. JWs have continued to believe in these doctrines despite the incredible amount of information we'e learned from the Dead Sea Scrolls (Jewish) and the Nag Hammadi libraries (Christian) found in Egypt. In fact, the JW belief is one of the weakest of all their beliefs.

    Peter speaks of the similarity of putting on and off a cloak in life to putting off his spirit in life. He also said that Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but was made alive in the spirit, by which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, which were disobedient in the days of Noah. Thus it was that Jesus told the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise!" (The overwhelming numbers of scholars laugh at the comma placement, by which Jesus appears to say, "I'm tellin' you today, man, you're going to be with me in Paradise!") Paradise is the place of departed spirits. Origen, who lived right after the apostles said, "After death, I think the saints go to Paradise, a place of learning or school of the spirits, in the which everything they learned on earth would be made clear to them...."

    But wait, isn't the Greek word for spirit the same word as that for "breath"? Yep, but it also can mean spirit just as easily. So how does one tell? Contextually. And in many cases it's tough to tell. But there are enough references where most scholars are convinced the words mean "spirit." Plus, the Origen quote can't be interpreted any other way. Oh, and the disciples asked Jesus regarding a blind man, "Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?" Clearly they thought, or were under the impression, that the man lived in Paradise before he was born and consequently could have sinned in that time.

    All men and women will be resurrected. And eventually every knee shall bend and every tongue confess Christ. So tell your friends not to worry. Probability Factor in favor of this doctrine being erroneousness is five out of five for it's being in error. There are no heavenly and earthly classes, neither would it make sense.

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