2010 DC Brochure: Was Life Created? PDF !!!!!!

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  • Cadellin
    Cadellin

    Thank you, Yknot and whoever else was responsible!

    Yes, this is a tired, near-verbatim rehashing of the Sept. 2006 "special issue" Awake on creation, right down to the assinine quotes from Lonnig, the silly "duck" quote from Behe, the misguided attack on the Grants and their work with Darwin's finches (of which they only select the bits of the story that fit their agenda--I highly recommend Jonathon Weiner's Pulitzer Prize winning book The Beak of the Finch if you want to know the whole story), the out-of-context quote from Eldridge, and absolutely, positively no reference to the staggering amount of genetic, climatic and homonid fossil data that has come out of the last ten years of research or so.

    Note to any lurkers: When you see an article suddenly start talking about failed eugenics experiments of the 1930's as a way of disproving evolution today in this year 2010, be aware you are being tossed a red herring of epic proportions. More of a red sperm whale. (I would have said a red blue whale, but that would be a purple whale and so much for that metaphor)

    There was total avoidance of any of the real, topical, cogent issues like--um--how about the sequencing of the Neanderthal genome? Tiktaalik roseae? Homo floresiensis? Small, feathered dinosaurs from China? Or maybe how about a quote from Michael Behe's newest book, where he spends an entire chapter discussing how the evidence for common descent is incontravertible?

    Oh, and I love how on the 6th day, a white man complete with a shaven face and a Bethel style haircut was created!!!!

  • St George of England
    St George of England
    Didn't they print the new creation book a couple years ago, I mean it isn't over 5 years old is it?

    No, the last book was either 1984 or 85. It was reprinted recently as a small paperback version.

    Thank you for the pdf and the info above.

    George

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    Cadellin:near-verbatim rehashing of the Sept. 2006 "special issue" Awake on creation

    Yes, that is true. It was covered at the convention during the talk for the release of the brochures. Apparently that Awake! was very well received by some schools/teachers and many copies were placed. One of the brochures is designed specifically to be acceptable to places like schools and evolutionists offering a Creator option while remaining denomination neutral.

  • St George of England
    St George of England

    They say that the creative day is not 24 hours but an unknown period of time or 'considerable lengths of time' involved. They fail to say that for many many years they were emphatic that each creative day was 7000 years long! That caused me a lot of hassle when I was a kid at school.

    George

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    It's a very pretty brochure; it's like candy. And like candy, it isn't very filling and can end up making one feel sick after reading too much.

    The early pages about how "perfect" Earth is for life reeks of a sharpshooter fallacy. The next section about the wonderful "design features" of animals gives a false dilemma between intentional design and "blind chance" (the strawman of the comparison). The dumbest part is the "myth" verses "fact" section, which is filled with half-truths and evasions. 1) The claim is never that mutations alone create species, 2) The finches example they cite as failing to show natural selection is of a transitory situation, so of course it would be expected to not duplicate more permanent changes in climate or ecology. Why not show instead the example of the Antarctic icefish which has a clear mutation in its DNA that blocks the production of hemoglobin which would be absolutely fatal to any animal living elsewhere but which not only does not hinder the survival of icefish in the freezing waters of the Antarctic but allows them to thrive better on account of the reduced viscosity of its circulation system, 3) The existence of statis for prehistoric animals over long periods of time is NOT an indication that the fossil record does not document "macroevolutionary" changes. They completely omit any discussion of the fossils showing the transitions referred to in the NAS statement.

    On p. 23, "How would you respond to the claim that proof of so-called microevolution is evidence that macroevolution must have taken place." Why is there never a discussion about why there must have been huge amounts of macroevolution occuring in just the past 4,000 years? Do they forget that God stopped creating when he rested on the 7th Day, a Day still running, and so the few number of "kinds" that Noah took into the ark must have over time produced the much larger diversity of life that exists today?? Why do they forget that their own belief in creation requires macroevolution?

    On p. 25-26, they continue to claim that creative "Days" were long epochs of indeterminate length. Yet they say after quoting Genesis 1:5, "Here, only a portion of the 24-hour period is defined by the term 'day' ". That's precisely what the "day" means throughout the chapter. On each day the creative work continues until nightfall, then there is evening and morning, and the following day begins. That is the clear sense of the narrative, it is the same thing that repeats throughout the chapter. The day-age interpretation overlooks this cyclic pattern; the Society never claims that there were thousands of years of continuous light followed by thousands of years of continuous darkness on the Earth.

    On p. 26, the notion of "the atmosphere clearing up" is imposed exegetically on the creation narrative; it does not arise from the text. It rather has a concordist aim of eliminating features of the narrative that fit rather poorly with modern cosmology, particularly with respect to the firmament.

    On p. 27, they specifically reject the notion that God used evolution to produce the vast variety of life. They appeal to the notion that God created original "kinds" which already had the variation in them, but limited to vague "fundamental categories". If this is diversification above the species level, a diversification that involves as they say "adaptation to changing environmental conditions", how is this not macroevolution? And again, no comment on their doctrine of the Flood which is coupled closely with their creationist theory. In order to have enough room for the animals on the ark, the Society usually argues that Noah did not take every species or even every genus into the ark. The Society requires macroevolution in order to accommodate all these animals on the ark, and macroevolution at insanely faster speeds than argued by any evotionary scientist.

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Why is there never a discussion about why there must have been huge amounts of macroevolution occuring in just the past 4,000 years? Do they forget that God stopped creating when he rested on the 7th Day, a Day still running, and so the few number of "kinds" that Noah took into the ark must have over time produced the much larger diversity of life that exists today?? Why do they forget that their own belief in creation requires macroevolution?

    JWs do not understand that they actually believe in "super evolution." :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mPPnN1c0jk

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Thanks for posting this. I downloaded, but haven't read it. I'll need to find a bigger barf-bucket before I get started.

    Now we know why the Governing Badly doesn't want the sheeples going to college.

    Leo and JT already nailed it pretty good. If anybody believes in Noah's ark, they either believe that millions of species could fit in a floating wooden box for a year with no fresh food, or they believe in super-evolution.

    How did Koala bears get from Noah's ark in Turkey across the ocean to Australia? What did they eat? It's been proven that kangaroos could survive in many parts of the world, so if they disembarked in Turkey, why are they ONLY in Australia?

  • Copernic
    Copernic

    Who's in to do the same job on that brochure as we can see on : http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/misquotations-in-creation-book.html

  • Copernic
    Copernic

    Some (cookie) claims are rebuted here on the archives of Evowiki dead website : http://web.archive.org/web/20080206011359/http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/List_of_creationist_arguments

    (even it's a bit long to download each claim, the ressource is amazing !)

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Interesting; another example of regression on the WT's part: In his book "The New Creation" Russell posited that evolution may well have occurred at the level of the lower animal creation. He did, however, make an exception for humans who were "created in God's image.

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