Help me get to the root of the library card issue!

by sunscapes 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • sunscapes


    Dear Ms. XX,

    The procedure for a library pass is the following: the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation in support of the research. If the needed material is not available in a UN depository library (the list of depository libraries is posted at:, the application is approved and sent to UN Security. UN Security checks the application and, if approval is granted, instructs the Pass Office to issue a library pass for the applicant.

    The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status. There has been no change in the library pass policy in general; however, please be advised that, as a consequence of the September 11 attacks, no library passes are being issued for the time being while the security situation at the UN is being studied.

    Best regards,
    Dana Loytved

    Senior Reference Librarian-UN/SA Reference Desk-United Nations Library, New York-E-mail:


    1) Although the Dag Hammarskjöld Library and the NGO Section are both within DPI, admission to the Library is not related to NGO status except in the positive sense: anyone with a pass permitting entrance to the United Nations premises (including accredited NGO representatives as well as accredited members of the press) can enter and use the Library facilities. Otherwise, a library pass is required. Passes are granted to serious researchers upon presentation of a letter with the raised seal of your institution and subject to clearance by both the Library and UN Security.

    Upon reading this and the related information as regards library access, it would seem to me that if you were an affiliated NGO, you would have free and unfettered access to the library which requires security clearance. This would be on a continual basis.

    If you were NOT a NGO, you can still apply for secure library access on a case-by-case one-at-a-time basis. That is, you would have to apply for two security clearances EACH and EVERY time you went to use the Dag Hammarskjöld library.

    Could it be possible that the WTS applied to be and was approved as an NGO for this convenience basis?

    Obviously, according to their teachings at this time and since, it would still be hypocritical to do this -- as if Jehovah's decrees are subject to be obeyed only when convenient (at least according to their interpretaion of Revelation)

    Could this be plausible? If not, shoot it down.

  • biblexaminer

    The book will explain it all.

    Strange Bedfellows of NY

  • sunscapes

    OK, next?

  • anewperson

    I believe it's the Nov 22, 1998 (or was 99?) Awake that was devoted to the UN, had warm friendly interviews with UN staff, a picture of the UN's head, article on the UN's first ever head of the Human Rights Commission Eleanor Roosevelt etc ad nauseum pro-UN, and copies of it or parts are at and Go there type in UN or United Nations in the search box, or look for sections on it that you can just click.

  • hawkaw

    I know we have been over this a thousand times but think about it.

    The leaders sold out their teachings and decided to support the UN Charter (which is a disfellowshipping offence) all for a library card!!!

    Think about it this is the worst of the worst. The leaders sacrificed their teachings that the UN was the evil scarlet coloured beast and not to "support the beast", they have called for and disfellowshiped Witnesses for suporting government Charters like the UN's Charter, didn't officially tell anybody about the "association", have let Witnesses rot in jail (Greece and Singapore) because they couldn't do manditaory military duty but supports a UN Charter that allowed for war (eg. Korea War was a UN action) and of course let all those innocent people die in Malawi all for not supporting Satin's poltical world - and for what - a library pass - WOW!!!!.

    And of course the leaders could go (without having to "support" the beast) to any of four libraries in the greater New York area that are UN depositories and have all the same stuff as the main UN library and of course, if they don't have it they have an interlibrary loan which gets anything you want out of the main UN library to the UN depository on a loan basis. But the leaders didn't do that did they!!!



  • moman

    The "library card" issue or use of the U.N. library haz nothing to do with anything!
    To be an accepted az an N.G.O. the Watchtower had to agree to uphold the United Nations ideals....Translation: They agree with & are joined at the hip with the BEAST!

  • Yadirf

    Hey Eddie

    Translation: They agree with & are joined at the hip with the BEAST!
    You and I are friends, right? Suuuuurrrrreeeee we are, and you're gonna let me have your credit card number without further ado. Also, go to your refrigerator and get sandwich material ... because I'm your friend and I know you don't want me to be hungry.

    Now, whose to blame if you simply TRUST me with your credit card number? Me, or you? Are you and I REALLY "joined at the hip", simply because you were so naïve as to give me your credit card number before thoroughly checking me out? Think about what you're saying. And while you're at it, don't forget that the WTS has to survive in a world that's inherently pitted against it.


    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • LoneWolf

    Yadirf --- That sounds all well and good on the surface of it. Such a scenario is plausible.

    Unfortunitely, there is one thing that blows it completely out of the water. There is some fairly strict criteria for becoming an associated N.G.O. Among others things, it is necessary and has been necessary from square one, to support the U.N. by publicizing its goals and purposes in a positive manner.

    For a period of nearly 10 years, the W.T.B.T.S. has done just that. The articles in the Awake! magazine are there for all to see, and remove all doubt as to whether the Society's leaders knew what was going on or not. The final nail in that coffin is the extremely deceptive wording in the final paragraphs of some of those articles.

    They are obviously calculated to deceive the U.N. official into believing that the Society is favorable to their cause, while at the same time doing all they can to preserve their real stance in the eyes of the rank and file. That to me is a case of fraud, pure and simple.


  • CornerStone

    Hello Yadirf,

    You said:

    "And while you're at it, don't forget that the WTS has to survive in a world that's inherently pitted against it."

    Your statement directly implies that the WTS and the FDS DO NOT have enough faith in Jehovah, the God in whom they profess DIRECTS them and in whom they profess to serve, to lead them in these last days WITHOUT having to join or associate with the most heinous, most vile, most evil, most dispicable, most corrupt, most death-deserving organization in history, the BEAST of Revelation, the United Nations!?

    Now I distinctly remember reading in the Book of Daniel about the attitude of the three Hebrews when faced with dishonoring God by bowing down to an idle or DEATH:

    16Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego replied, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you. 17If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God whom we serve is able to save us. He will rescue us from your power, Your Majesty. 18But even if he doesn’t, Your Majesty can be sure that we will never serve your gods or worship the gold statue you have set up.”

    Daniel 3: 16-18 NWT

    Now I'm a person of faith, a Christian for over 20 years now. I would dare to say I'm sensitive to matters of conscience between me and God.

    However, one does not have to be a believer in God to see that the FDS of the WTS were Not trusting in God with ANY degree of strong faith when they associated with the evil UN. And they were not even facing DEATH like the three Hebrews were!

    I think most of us on this board believe the 'library card' excuse is a red herring and the more logical reason is that the WTS wanted to gain a greater degree of acceptance in the global community.

    Remember, if the WTS is Gods' organization, then it will be by Jehovahs power that they will survive, not by playing the same game the world plays to survive.

    Question: Do you honestly think Jehovah God Himself WANTED the WTS to actively associate with Satans organization, the United Nations?

    IF you can, please limit your overall conclusion to YES, NO, or I don't know. Thanks.


  • avengers

    10 years long we were eating wild beast meat while we were all thinking we were eating at Jehovah's table. I thought you couldn't eat together at Jehovah's table and that of the demons. What is what here?

    don't forget that the WTS has to survive in a world that's inherently pitted against it
    So therefore you can be deceitful towards your brothers? Right!

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