If God exists, and He *is* love, and He grants undeserved grace, then ALL will be welcomed...
"All athiests/agnostics will regret their path and beg God to take them in before their death..."
by sabastious 44 Replies latest jw experiences
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ziddina
"All athiests/agnostics will regret their path and beg God to take them in before their death..."
Really?? Which "god"???
The one that's only 3,500 years old, the one that's 4,500 years old, the one [Goddess; deity] that's over 35,000 years old, the one that's 40,000 to 80,000 years old, or the one I've just read about that is possibly 230,000 years old...
Personally, my money's on the oldest deity/deities, not the "Johnny-come-lately" upstarts who couldn't be bothered to show up for the first 227,000 years...
I like what Scully said [about your older JW brother's comments...] "He has to stifle his desires for a happy life NOW (like atheists/agnostics/non-JWs have NOW) and swallow the pile of $h!t that's served at Jehovah's Table TM before he can enjoy "dessert".... Truly happy people know how to mind their own damn business, to live and let live, and to leave whatever Judgement TM awaits the world in the hands of whatever higher power they believe in...."
Zid
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B-Rock
An atheist, Howard Storm was lying in a Paris Hospital in 1985 - dying from a perforated stomach. His stomach acids were leaching into his other organs. Suddenly he was standing up in a surreal brightly lit hospital room. He tried to talk with his wife and a fellow patient, but they both ignored him. Off in the distance, outside the room in the hall he heard voices calling: "Howard", "Howard". Come out here the voices said, "Let's go", "hurry up". We've been waiting for you a long time. He stepped out into the hallway and could see these people off in the distance. He could tell they were male and female, tall and short, old and young adults. He followed them feeling very much alive. Every time he hesitated they demanded that he keep up. These people kept telling him if he would follow them his troubles would end. A fog surrounded him, and it got gradually darker as he shuffled along behind them. These people became increasingly angry and sarcastic with Howard. He now felt he was being forced by an angry mob of unfeeling people to an unknown destination. They next began shouting and hurling insults at Howard. The more miserable Howard became, the more enjoyment they derived from his distress.
A few of the voices attempted a conciliatory tone with Howard to amuse the others. Their mood was excited and triumphant. The hopelessness of Howard's situation overwhelmed him, especially when he noted he was now in complete darkness. He could feel their breath on him as they shouted and snarled insults at him. They were playing with him, just as a cat plays with a mouse. These people were once human. The best way Howard could describe them was to think of the worse possibly imaginable people stripped of every impulse of compassion. They began pushing and beating on Howard.
Howard began to pray to God, which excited those around him to rage. It was as if Howard was throwing boiling oil on them. They screamed at Howard; "There is no God! Who do you think you are talking to"? They spoke in the most obscene language, worse than any blasphemy said on earth. There voices became more and more distant in the darkness. Alone, destroyed, yet painfully alive in that revolting place for a time without measure Howard was experiencing the terrible consequences of a life of selfish materialism and rejection of God. Then for the first time in his adult life he began singing an old tune from childhood: "Jesus loves me, da da da". He began to have a ray of hope that something greater was out there. Off in the darkness he saw a pinpoint of light, like the faintest star in the sky. It began coming closer. The now brilliant light was a living being and it penetrated Howard's body. Ecstasy swept away his agony. The loving luminous being embraced Howard. This being knew Howard and everything about him. Howard felt unconditionally loved. The light was the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Christ Jesus the Savior. He had substance and was indescribably wonderful: goodness, power, knowledge, and love. He held me and caressed me like a mother with her baby. Next, they both rose upward, gradually at first, and then like a rocket - out of that detestable hell. Off in the distance Howard saw a vast area of illumination that looked like a galaxy with a great concentration of light in the center.
As Howard and Jesus approached he was permeated with tangible intense feelings and thoughts of love. He know that God loved him, God loved his creation, and that God was love. He felt like garbage, filthy rags, in the presence of the Holy One. Still countless light years away, Jesus called out in a musical tone to some of the luminous entities radiating from the great center. -
DoubleVision
And I believe that JW'S sing this song
If your happy and you know it clap your hands
If your happy and you know it just say amen
If your happy and you know it just "pretend"
and your mind is in utopia.
DV
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spawn
Being an Athiest myself why would I beg someone I don't believe in to take me back!!
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AK - Jeff
I am a good person. I struggle with the label part. Agnostic? Atheist? But I live a decent life, care for my family, treat my fellow travelers in this life with respect, work hard for a living, am a good citizen.
I can't imagine what people who judge atheists and agnostics think we do with our lives? Do they imagine we are spending all our time cursing God and in some sort of pain for having 'walked away' from faith in him?
No. Simply put, for me at least, there is not sufficient evidence to support the conclusion that God ever was or currently is anywhere.
I don't have a 'path' in the sense that this person likely envisions. I just refuse to commit to a being that is imaginary, or for whatever reason is too unkind to show him/herself to me clearly. That's all. I cannot find any reason with those ideals guiding me, that I would 'beg God' for anything at the end of my life. I will just go to sleep. The end. Any regrets that I might encounter for my having taken the course of not believing in God would have to come far before the end of my life in order for me to weigh evidence that I can not see now.
But that's just me. Little ole agnostic/atheistic reasonable me.
Jeff
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dgp
I'm still rolling on the floor laughing.
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gubberningbody
I would say that only the atheist/agnostic has made the truth their own.
Happiness is overrated. I'm aiming for satisfaction that I've done what I can do. That will have to be enough, and if it isn't there's nothing to be done about it. I can't be what I'm not.
I was born to apostasize.
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mindmelda
I don't know any really naughty atheists, but I'm willing to keep looking. I consider it my duty to do so.
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mkr32208
b rock you're gibberish just made me puke on my keyboard... You owe me $65 or my god will smite you!