DEEP DISCUSSION: Christ means annointed.........does this create a paradox?

by EndofMysteries 10 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    If you actually look at some interlinear new testament, you'll see in the direct greek to english translation, Annointed, then you will see annointed is put in as Christ.

    If every instance of Christ was replaced with annointed, how would many scriptures read? Well for one Jesus would be called Jesus Annointed. But also on the biblical prophecies, in the last days, instead of "false christs", it would be "false annointed". Also Jesus is said to have 'joint heirs', etc. AND the scriptures speak of the holy ones in the congregations judging angels.

    I am seeing where so many different beliefs and understandings are coming from.

    1. Old testament shows God doesn't share any glory, etc, but also foretold about a 'stumbling stone' being sent to Israel. Also about 'chosen' or 'elect' or 'sons of man'.

    2. Based on old testament, Christ seemed apostate to Israelites, in it seemed to go against Gods commands in old testament.

    3. Moses had the 'spirit of wisdom' on him and laid on hands to transfer it.

    4. Jesus Christ said he had a prehuman exisitance, was implanted in Mary by God, and said he was head of congregation and his disciples approved to be with him after he spoke to his father, and after his leaving would send a helper, the spirit of truth.

    5. Pauls letters going into deeper detail, go on how holy ones are to judge even angels, and also more details on "christ" being head of congregation, etc.

    6. The prophecies of false christs, antichrist, etc, also seem to fit the prophecies of the true ones, so in the last days, ones may reject what is the true Christ returned thinking it's the antichrist, or vice versa.

    7. Many are warned of the antichrist, and an earthly kingdom, yet in Ezekiel, you' see that the last days, and Christ, etc are ON EARTH. But then in Revelation, etc, they are in heaven. So those believe in Ezekiel, may look for an earthly Israel restoration, while others dismiss it as the antichrist.

    8. If annointed others then Jesus himself are join heirs, and IF Jesus was God, does that mean those selected are sharing the throne of God?

    9. If Jesus is God, or was part of him transferred in that sense, and not his own individual creation, it is confusing on why he said things and did things, unless God created a 'human clone' of him in Jesus, in which he was God in a sense, but a clone in human form who knew that is what he was? Also, scriptures speak of Jesus sufferings as being what 'made him perfect' as if not perfect prior. Also of how God 'after' the fact declared Jesus his son, elevating him above all other angels, in which sense if he was already prior to that, why would he need to be elevated?

    I'm just going to stop here, but curious who has noticed some of these things and what conclusions they have come to so far. Is there an understanding that is not yet realized which makes all of it make sense and flow together, or were some books of the bible inserted which are not inspired or true, etc.

    Hope to get some deep critical thinking and answers here.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    4. Jesus Christ said he had a prehuman exisitance, was implanted in Mary by God, and said he was head of congregation and his disciples approved to be with him after he spoke to his father, and after his leaving would send a helper, the spirit of truth.

    Where did Jesus talk about this?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    As for the annoited part, of course Jesus was annointed as are ALL who believe in him, that he lived, died and was ressurected.

    ALL the believe that will have The Lord and the HS rest ( abide) in them and they will be sealed with the seal of God and the kingdom of God will be in them.

  • Blue Grass
    Blue Grass

    Well I don't have anything "deep" to say rather I'll just add just enough to clear some of this up. Jesus is not God and the Book Of Revelation isn't inspired by God and anything in the Book Of Revelation should not be taken as truth. Also the angels that Christians will judge are not the angels in heavens but the ones who sinned during Noah's day which are bound in Tartarus.

  • TD
    TD
    If every instance of Christ was replaced with annointed, how would many scriptures read?

    Incorrectly. The function of the word, Christos gradually went from a simple adjective applicable to all the patriarchs, to an appellative added to the name, "Jesus" to an actual proper name interchangeable with the name, "Jesus" as Christianity developed. Examples of all three usages can be found in the LXX and NT

  • Snotrag
    Snotrag

    A conclusion that I keep coming to is that no one knows at this point in time what is the actual truth. The scripture intones that those that are granted the spirt will have the knowledge of God. There will be many that say they have the knowledge but they will be false prophets. Whomever can really explain what the bible says will stand out amongst all the noise and be acknowledged as a true representitive of God. As it stands now no one can exlain the kingdom, the ransom, the creation, nor revelations. All that is presented is a universer of personal opinions. All these interpretations are to gather followers after themselves. The scripture points out that the truth leads to God not to any person. I think the universe was made on purpose and this planet was made on purpose. There is too much reasoned complexity to think otherwise. When the truth appears it will be somehow known by the clarity.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi EOM,

    Some answers for you

    1. Old testament shows God doesn't share any glory, etc, but also foretold about a 'stumbling stone' being sent to Israel. Also about 'chosen' or 'elect' or 'sons of man'.

    Jesus is the stumbling stone or cornerstone, not only for Israel but the whole world.

    Which type of stone "stumbling" or "cornerstone" depends on how you view Jesus 1 Peter 2

    2. Based on old testament, Christ seemed apostate to Israelites, in it seemed to go against Gods commands in old testament.

    It might seem that way, the Pharisees would certainly have agreed but note Jesus' words here Matthew 5:17 Also Paul's Romans 11

    3. Moses had the 'spirit of wisdom' on him and laid on hands to transfer it.

    Nothing has changed Acts 8:18, 2 Timothy 1:6 , Hebrews 6:2

    4. Jesus Christ said he had a prehuman exisitance, was implanted in Mary by God, and said he was head of congregation and his disciples approved to be with him after he spoke to his father, and after his leaving would send a helper, the spirit of truth.

    Amen! John 14

    5. Pauls letters going into deeper detail, go on how holy ones are to judge even angels, and also more details on "christ" being head of congregation, etc.

    Agreed

    6. The prophecies of false christs, antichrist, etc, also seem to fit the prophecies of the true ones, so in the last days, ones may reject what is the true Christ returned thinking it's the antichrist, or vice versa.

    Yes but God gives His children the gift of discerning the spirits via the anointing of the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:8-11

    7. Many are warned of the antichrist, and an earthly kingdom, yet in Ezekiel, you' see that the last days, and Christ, etc are ON EARTH. But then in Revelation, etc, they are in heaven. So those believe in Ezekiel, may look for an earthly Israel restoration, while others dismiss it as the antichrist.

    The Kingdom is in heaven but it will be on earth as it is in heaven Matthew 6:10

    8. If annointed others then Jesus himself are join heirs, and IF Jesus was God, does that mean those selected are sharing the throne of God?

    Not in the Mormon sense, we will not be Gods for there is one God. However, there will be saints on throne and we will all reign.

    9. If Jesus is God, or was part of him transferred in that sense, and not his own individual creation, it is confusing on why he said things and did things, unless God created a 'human clone' of him in Jesus, in which he was God in a sense, but a clone in human form who knew that is what he was? Also, scriptures speak of Jesus sufferings as being what 'made him perfect' as if not perfect prior. Also of how God 'after' the fact declared Jesus his son, elevating him above all other angels, in which sense if he was already prior to that, why would he need to be elevated?

    Pretty much most of these question are answered here

    Philippians 2:5-11 (New International Version)

    5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!
    9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

    And here Hebrews 1

    Blessings,

    Stephen

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    4. Jesus Christ said he had a prehuman exisitance, was implanted in Mary by God, and said he was head of congregation and his disciples approved to be with him after he spoke to his father, and after his leaving would send a helper, the spirit of truth.

    (I did not see that PSacramento also picked up on this (first thing!) until I had copied it and scrolled down.

    So in addition to quoting some evidence for this, as PSacremento mentioned....I would like to say:

    If this were so that Jesus spoke of having a prehuman existence...that would leave the door wide open for reincarnation as well as alien theories. What was he in his pre-human life? A reptilian? What?

    If he were implanted in Mary by god, this leaves the door open to explore alien abduction theories. But actually, my idea is that this would go back to the covenant with Jacob. Jacob contracted with "the angel" for genetic experimentation on his progeny.

    As far as being "head of a congregation" I do not see this as being true at all. Jesus did not come to start a new religion. He came to free people from the bondage of religion.

  • TMS
    TMS

    still into fake deep, end of mysteries? You and Psacramento could add considerable credibility by spelling anointed correctedly.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Google "annointed", of the millions who spell it that way I'm sure we have enough credibility. You can add considerable credibility if you can show me anywhere in the bible where spelling and spellcheck have anything to do with understanding the bible and the truth? Your lack of critical thinking or understanding the scriptures won't change by checking spelling and grammar on online forums in which most of us probably don't care.

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