Human All Too Human - Nietzsche

by frankiespeakin 18 Replies latest jw friends

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  Robdar

  Frankie,

  I have often wondered about Nietzsche influence on Ayn Rand. Do you know of any interesting tidbits?
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  BurnTheShips

  I think that Nietzsche's thoughts were far more surpassing and sublime than Rand's. Rand lacks his...poetic, artistic sense..and her thought seems in some ways if you compare them... like a robotic reductionism of Nietzsche. That said, I think Rand's work is very valuable also.

  BTS
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  frankiespeakin

  Robd,

  Not really my knowledge is quite limited I'm afraid but I'm sure she was influeneced by him.
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  quietlyleaving

  I never could work out why Nietzsche was so against Wagner - now I know part of the reason why - it was Wagner's growing nationalism and I also got the sense that he (Wagner) revelled a little too much in his own fame and popularity.

  As to hallucinogens, Frankie, I would never touch the stuff. They have too many bad side effects.

  edit: I agree with BTS re Neitzsche and Rand
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  frankiespeakin

  Quietly,

  They are not for the faint of heart, and in order to get benefits requires some understanding, definitely not for use recreational use.
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  quietlyleaving

  Quietly, They are not for the faint of heart, and in order to get benefits requires some understanding, definitely not for use recreational use.

  I agree and part of the reason their popularity declined is that they have a huge uncontrollabe and possibly damaging component. I'm also very old fashioned I guess
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  Robdar

  BTS: I think that Nietzsche's thoughts were far more surpassing and sublime than Rand's. Rand lacks his...poetic, artistic sense..and her thought seems in some ways if you compare them... like a robotic reductionism of Nietzsche.

  Well said.

  Gee, I wish I wasn't at work today. This topic is so much more interesting than work.

  Later.
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  frankiespeakin

  I particularly like the way Nietzsche places pain and the dulling of pain thru alchohol, or indoctrinated religous ideas to cope with it as idiocy.

  Faceing the pain and using it to makes one stronger, or to quote him "that which does not kill me makes me stronger" Whether that is true in its absolute sense remains to be seen, but the sentiments are nobel and could help one face adversity with honesty and skip all the platitudes that give false comfort, resigning one to passive acceptance instead of useing the pain to make ones life better.
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  frankiespeakin

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

  "Nietzsche contra Wagner" is a critical essay by Friedrich Nietzsche , composed of recycled passages from his past works. It was written in his last year of lucidity (1888–1889), but was not published until 1895, six years after his mental collapse. Nietzsche describes in this short work why he parted ways with his one-time idol and friend, Richard Wagner . Nietzsche attacks Wagner's views, expressing disappointment and frustration in Wagner's life choices (such as his conversion to Christianity , perceived as a sign of weakness). Nietzsche evaluates Wagner's philosophy on tonality , music and art ; he admires Wagner's power to emote and express himself, but largely disdains what Nietzsche calls his religious biases.