Re: Newton's 1977 book on Ptolemy

by Doug Mason 18 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Oh, I thought this was going to be something about Isaac Newton.

    Thought maybe the dead had been rising invisibly since it had a date of 1977.

    Oh, well. Nevermind.

  • scholar
    scholar

    AnnOMaly

    Post 1219

    The matter as to whether Ptolemy's Canon has been independently verified is a matter of dispute even up to the present according to both critics and supporters of Newton. Newton's thesis created a 'dust storm' and even now 'the dust' has not yet settled on Ptolemy. It is far early for you to claim any victory.

    Ptolemy's Canon still remains the 'backbone ' of Neo-Babylonian chronology because as Thiele correctly noted in a earlier edition of his Mysterious Numbers Of The Hebrew Kings, "Ptolemy's Canon was prepared primarily for astronomical not historical purposes." So as it stands it provides a wonderful template for all later discoveries pewrtaining to the NB period. Further, as confirmation of the proper status of the Royal Canon as Carl Jonsson prefers to name it. a Dr. Leo Depuydt title his article 'More Valuable Than All Gold': Ptolemy's Canon and Babylonian Chronology' published in the Journal of Cunieform Studies, Vol. 47, 1995, pp.97-117.

    scholar JW

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Neil! Quit it. There is an abundance of first-hand Babylonian sources to establish a timeline from at least the neo-Bablylonian period onwards. The Ptolemy source, which chronologers from before the 19th century used, is now passé, although the NB records harmonize with the list of kings and timeline Ptolemy wrote down. The bottom line is that Newton and the consensus of scholarship agree about NB kings' dates and lengths of reign. The only ones who have a problem are BS/JWs and their offshoots and nutjobs like our cross-dressing messiah friend.

  • scholar
    scholar

    AnnOMaly

    Post 1222

    You are right to say that I should quit this subject for it lie outsisde my expertise and that applies to you as well because you too have no expertise in the matter. Rolf Furuli has researched this subject and shows a modest and cautious use of Newton's findings and that Neo-Babylonian chronology is open to criticism and is not so well-established as previously thought. In any event the NB data proves that there is at least a twenty year gap between the two so one should not preseumptuous about the infallibility of Neo-Babylonian chronology.

    scholar JW

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    pseudo-scholar you do not have expertise on anything. You are certainly not a historian by any means or anything competent on eschatology.

    NB chronology, while not an exact science is relatively accurate...the only issues are those of the Wt since they prove their 7 Gentiles Times wrong.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    You are right to say that I should quit this subject for it lie outsisde my expertise

    Your lack of expertise isn't the problem here.

    In any event the NB data proves that there is at least a twenty year gap

    Promoting these fantasies of yours is the reason you should quit.

  • scholar
    scholar

    AnnOMaly

    Post 1225

    Promoting your fanttisies and twisting my comments out of context iare good reasons why you should quit.

    scholar JW

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    In 1976, shortly before Newton released his book, I happened to be given a letter written by Philip Couture, in which he declares his interest with Newton and that he was an active JW. I have provided a scan of that letter, suitably masked for reasons of privacy, at:

    http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=32c23992880e1dcccbcf3b3107eb0af7

    When I publicised the existence of that letter in Bruce Price's magazine, I was able to provide this to a certain person as justification of my claim.

    --------------------------------

    When Couture produced his (anonymous) "Treatise" (previously made available at: http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=e5d30975280902ab29bf32ac0b8002bb )

    it was, I strongly believe, in direct response to the book previously made available at: http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=a03735977851defc00ea95c475528477

    This was addressed in part by COJ (previously made available at: http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=3864ad92ef3b07baa95f043e58f35c2d )

    Doug

    http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=32c23992880e1dcccbcf3b3107eb0af7

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Aww Doug, you beauty! MacCarty and Couture! Thanks.

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