by 1914BS 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I noticed the complete abscence of any reference to the great crowd in recent watchtower magazines.
The latest Jan 15 2010 WT now calls the "other sheep" rank and file witnesses the ......"GROWING CROWD" I think you'll find that on the last page of that WT. Has the interpretation of the "great crowd" changed again? . It seems the anointed class has now stolen both the titles "generation" and "great crowd" Any thoughts on this?
Funny, "growing crowd". Unfortunately it isn't growing as fast at the "little flock". Lots of crazy dubs are coming to the Reject Jesus Party hungry and start thinking that they're just a nibble and a sip away from being the next Mrs. Jesus Christ.
I agree, I think the sheeples are increasingly demoted under the tyranny of the Governing Body.
They have become "belongings" of the "gibbering body"
The Great Crowd was prefigured by the Huge Crowd of the Zerubbabel class, who "knew the voice of the shepherd". ( Ezra 3: 2-5) This crowd was especially crowded by those of the nearby Enormous Crowd of people loyal to Jehovah, even to the point of walking "through the valley of the shadow of death" faithfully and without fear. (Psalms 23:4) This Enormous Crowd were also known as the Shealtiel class of the Davidic dynasty, and withdrew from bad association with Edomites who would eat their own dung ( Nehemiah 8:7) to show their love for Jehovah.
Today the Great Crowd and the Growing Crowd show signs of merging into the Really Ginormous Crowd of the Timothy class, whose association with the faithful and discrete slave has proven to deliver them from the fornication that is a enormous danger when so many people are crowded together in such a manner. ( Genesis 19:30-38)
The "great crowd" are said to come out of the great tribulation and therefore they are simply the population that survives Armageddon.
They represent one third of today's population.
The parallel is to the original "great tribulation" which was the Holocaust, where two-thirds of the Jews were exterminated and one third preserved. That's the pattern for how many will be chosen to gain acceptance into the millennium, 1000-year rule of Christ, just one third of todays population.
They will be ruled over on the earth by Christ and 144,000 Jews who make up 1/10th of the Bride Class. 1,296,000 gentile king-priests will fill out the entire Bride Class.
LS
The "great crowd" are said to come out of the great tribulation and therefore they are simply the population that survives Armageddon. Larsinger58
Your are right on, the great crowd does not exist, untill after the GT, so the use of that term now is totally incorrect and miss leading, used only to give a false place of safety for converts.
Would love to see you source for the idea that the 144K is 1/10th of the bride class.
Thanks
lesterd
From Revelation 7:9
9 " After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
and from the Societys own site: (copied today)
The Bible teaches that God is selective when it comes to foreordaining the future. For example, God foretold that “a great crowd” of righteous humans would survive the destruction of the wicked at the end of the present system of things. (Revelation 7:9, 14) Note, though, that God did not give a specific number for that great crowd. The reason? He does not predestinate individuals. God is like the loving father of a large family. He knows that at least some of His children will reciprocate His love, but He does not predetermine the number.
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That prophecy is now being fulfilled among those who submit to 'God's ways and walk in his paths.' The last book of the Bible speaks of this peace-loving international society of people as "a great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues," a true global brotherhood serving God unitedly. And the Bible also says: "These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation." That is, they will survive the end of this evil system of things.—Revelation 7:9, 14; Matthew 24:3.
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True wisdom will soon 'preserve alive its owners' in an unprecedented way—protection through the fast-approaching "great tribulation," when God destroys the wicked. (Matthew 24:21) At that time people will be throwing their money into the streets as "an abhorrent thing," according to the Bible. Why? Because they will have learned the hard way that gold and silver will not buy them life during "the day of Jehovah's fury." (Ezekiel 7:19) On the other hand, "a great crowd," who prudently 'stored up their treasures in heaven' by putting spiritual interests first in their life, will benefit from their sure investment and gain eternal life in a paradise earth.—Revelation 7:9, 14; 21:3, 4; Matthew 6:19, 20.
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That is what their web site is saying, so how come they called the "great crowd" (other sheep) the "growing crowd" in the latest WT? That seems to be very inconsistent and a shift in doctrine.
They are right here:
look at this WT quote
Rmember that the pre 1995 teaching was very similar to this, that the "generation" woudl survive the great tribulation as well - as in - "this generation would by no menas pass away".... so... in the minds of the WTS, the pre 1995 "generation" and the "great crowd" are synonomous. That is why they will have to change the teaching on the great crowd. .The great crowd will have to be made up of only the anointed for their new theology to work. The mind control of these latest Watchtowers seem to be setting the stage for further doctrine changes.
*** w07 5/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***In 1935 the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in "the last days" and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4)
Would love to see you source for the idea that the 144K is 1/10th of the bride class.
No you wouldn't. Trust me, dude.
