Another new question to ponder:

by ballistic 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • ballistic

    What exactly will the 144,000 heirs to the heavenly kingdom be required for? To rule? What, rule over just 6 million PERFECT humans? Not only will thier subjects be perfect, but they all live in PERFECT harmony and union, both with each other and nature.
    I can't see why God needs rulers from earth when he has myriads of angels who could quite easily cope. I can't see why God needs ANYTHING. He is omnipotent, capable of ruling by himself. And in any case, why does it depend on WHEN you are born as to which "class" you belong to? Surely this is not an idea of an impartial God?

  • Preston

    Interestingly, your question ballistic, corresponds to another question I just posted a little while ago.

    It really doesn't make any sense why God would need people to rule with him. According to what one elder told me, God will use imperfect men to serve as rulers with him to perfectly answer Satan's challenge that nobody can remain entirely faitful to him. By actually having imperfect men serve as kings, and in the destruction of Satan's world, he will use this as emphasis when they destroy Satan's seed (his followers).

  • Bendrr

    Kind of makes you wonder if after Adam and Eve sinned, He came up with "Plan B". For that matter, what was His original plan in the first place?

    I may not like what you have to say, but many men gave their lives for your right to say it.

  • LB

    I recall the company line when I asked a similar question. I was told that Jehovah God doesn't need anyone, but, since he is so loving he will allow humans to help out. Sort of like make busy work I guess.

    Never Squat With Yer Spurs On

  • AGuest

    Dearest Ballistic... may you have peace!

    Again, may I respond? Thank you!

    The answer to your question is quite simple: The 144,000... AND THE GREAT CROWD... who make a 'nation of kings and priests, taken out of ALL nations, tribes, tongues and peoples'... will be those who sit down on thrones WITH my Lord... to 'separate' the sheep... and the goats.

    Revelation 5:9, 10
    Revelation 7:4, 9, 15-17
    Romans 11:25
    Hosea 2:23

    It is quite simple: the sheep and goats are separated from the goats based on how they treated Christ's brothers. How does this occur? As Matthew and the Revelation say:

    1. My Lord returns and gathers his brothers, the chosen ones... from the four winds (to where they were 'scattered'), one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. THIS means... from under the altar of God (where the spirits of the prophets and others anointed with holy spirit go), the world of the dead (where the spirits of those who were NOT anointed with holy spirit, but put faith in Christ when he went there and preached to them), and the earth. Those in the first two categories are resurrected... to spirit bodies; those in the latter category, are 'changed'... 'in a twinkling'... to spirit bodies.

    Then... TOGETHER... we meet my Lord in the air, and are taken 'home' to His Father's house... for our 'wedding'... the UNION of us and him, by spirit. THIS... is commenced by the 'first resurrection' and culminates when the Shekanah light, the Spirit of God, which was first fragmented at Pentecost 30CE in order to enter into the PEOPLE... becomes 'one' again.

    1 Corinthians 15:23
    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

    (Note: The 'end' spoken of at 1 Cor. 15:24, is what takes place AFTER the 1,000 years, when the kingdom is handed BACK over to my Father, for HIS 'Judgement Day', as delineated in Rev. 20:7-11 and Daniel 7:9, 10, 13, 14.)

    2. After the wedding, we sit down on thrones with my Lord, and all the nations are gathered before us. At this time, we (the 144,000 taken from among the sons of Israel... AND THE GREAT CROWD... out of the nations who 'rule' WITH US...), 'separate' those who are 'sheep'... from those who are 'goats'. This is done based on OUR testimony of what such individual did... to us.

    Matthew 25:31-46
    Revelation 20:4-6

    3. However, be WE were shown mercy, we for the most part, will not 'judge' ANYONE, but as priests, will offer up sacrifices and beg forgiveness for all. In that light, then, the TRUE judging and the resultant 'separation' of the sheep and goats, will be done by my Lord. That is why it says of my Lord, that he will 'judge the INHABITED earth," as well as the living and the dead, my brothers.

    Acts 10:42
    Acts 17:31

    4. By means of such judging, the 'sheep' are given 'white robes'... SPIRIT bodies... and granted entry into the kingdom where they:

    a. Share in the marriage 'feast'; and
    b. Eat from the Tree of Life... my Lord.

    The 'goats', however, are NOT destroyed... not at this time, anyway, but are simply 'cut off' from entry. They remain in the flesh... until Satan is 'loosed'.

    Matthew 25:34, 46

    Once Satan is 'loosed', however, he returns to 'mislead' those goats... GOG... as well as those spirits who have been cast out of heaven... MAGOG... to come against the Holy City, wherein lies the Tree of Life, my Lord. IF such ones can get in, they can 'eat' from such Tree... and live forever. THIS is the 'gathering' to the war of the the great day of God Almighty... the 'place' called 'Har-Maggedon.'

    Genesis 3:22
    Revelation 16:16
    Revelation 20:7, 8

    To STOP this, FIRE comes 'down out of heaven... from the person of my Father, the Holy One of Israel, JAH OF ARMIES... and devours them. The fire is necessary, for unlike water (as in the deluge), fire can destroy the body... AND the spirit.

    Matthew 10:28
    Revelation 20:10
    Genesis 3:24
    Zephaniah 3:8
    Psalm 18:8, 15

    This 'separating' work (sorry, folks, but it is an accurate statement, although its reality as taught by the WTBTS is NOT accurate)... takes 1,000 years. That is time we are allotted to 'rule' with Christ. HOWEVER... HIS rule is NOT limited to 1,000 years! It began in 30CE, continues today, and will continue to tend of the 1,000 years. At THAT time, he will turn the kingdom BACK over to God, for the 'general' resurrection. At THAT time, GOD... will judge. And once THAT judgement has been completed, God will give the kingdom BACK to my Lord... and he will rule... to time indefinite.

    That is the vision that Daniel saw where the Court (my Father) took HIS seat (HIS throne) and opened books (scrolls were opened)... and the resurrection of the righteous (to life) and the unrighteous (to judgment and everlasting destruction) takes place. Once the LAST 'enemy', DEATH... has been cast into the Lake of Fire, my Father hands the kingdom back to His Son... who 'inherits' it... forever. For HIS... is "an indefinitely lasting rule" and HIS throne is "to time indefinite."

    1 Corinthians 15:25, 26
    Revelation 20:11-14
    Daniel 7:9, 10, 13, 14
    Daniel 2:44

    First, he must rule as king and go subduing (those who would BE subdued), in the midst of his enemies, 'until all enemies have been put under his feet' by God, including Death... and then, he will rule forever.

    I have been given this and granted to share it with you, by means of the spirit of my Father, the Holy One of Israel, JAH OF ARMIES, who grants such spirit, holy spirit, by means of His Son and Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHJAH.

    Your servant, and a slave of Christ,


  • ISP
    What exactly will the 144,000 heirs to the heavenly kingdom be required for? To rule? What, rule over just 6 million PERFECT humans?

    I think they don't need so many! They have a GB ruling over 6 million IMPERFECT humans at the moment!


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