a thought about copyrighted materials

by actage 34 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • actage

    I am very new to this board and have already have ready a post mentioning copyright laws in Japan. AND have seen the full text of a non-Watchtower book be made free to users here.

    Now I don't mind Watchtower magazines being made free here because JWs give away their literature all the time anyways. But when I see a book being offered that must be purchased normally on Amazon or Waldenbooks I get a little mad.

    Say someone who visits this board works at a book seller or printer/publisher. Then by downloading that book free through here is essentially stealing gasp

    That being said, you folks are free to do whatever you want with this information....even without a Bible verse thrown at anyone.


  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Check out posting rule #4 below. I always cite my sources as I don't need any lawsuits.

  • leavingwt
    Now I don't mind Watchtower magazines being made free here because JWs give away their literature all the time anyways.

    It should be noted that the WT legal department does not share your opinion.

  • Finally-Free

    I take copyrights very seriously. I used to give elders shit and refuse to help them when they asked me over to fix their computers and I found they were using pirated software. Books are much less expensive than software, so there's even less excuse for that kind of theft.


  • actage

    There is a diference between quoting "a small amount of third party material" and offering the whole book.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    I think it's a brief sentence here and a brief one there that doesn't need to be cited, but I'm not sure.

  • leavingwt
    There is a diference between quoting "a small amount of third party material" and offering the whole book.


  • JeffT

    English teacher has to say something. (My BA is in English/Ed althought I've never used it. Also my father is a research MD and I learned a lot about citing sources from him).

    Any direct quote must be cited, even if only one word. Even if not a direct quote a statement of fact should be sourced. Examples: The President said the police were "stupid," the surface tempature of venus is 600 degrees. Both should have a source cited.

    Regarding Fair Use, the us copyright office says this (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)

    1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
    2. The nature of the copyrighted work
    3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
    4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

    For the purposes of educating the public quoting some relevant material would clearly be within the scope of fair use. Copying a book and reselling if is clearly a violation of law.

    As an aspiring writer I take this subject seriously.

  • Old Goat
    Old Goat

    The server for this site isn't in Japan, as far as I know. It's covered by American copyright law. Without discussing all the various details of American copyright law, most works published before 1964 are in public domain, that is anyone can reprint them or otherwise publish them. This is not always so, and there is a web site that will tell you if a book or other matter is still under copyright.

    Some authors make their work available for free reproduction. That’s an author’s personal choice, and it must be clearly stated some place in the work.

    I write young adult fiction. I've had my work pirated before. It's upsetting. Authors and artists should be respected. There is, however, the fair use doctrine. It allows one to use short excerpts and quotations. Major bits of my books are readable on Google Books, but my arrangement with them is that entire sections are blocked out. This is in my interest. It lets a reader get into my books and decide if they like them. Like it? Want to read it all? Buy it. Thanks.

    I’m smart enough not to publish under my real name. None of my books have magic in them. But they do have fantasy creatures. One of them has a dragon in it. Oh My GOD! I just realized I’ve corrupted Witness youth world wide! Do you have any idea how deeply and silently I chuckle when I see something I wrote sitting on a Witnesses’ shelf?

    I’m probably getting myself into trouble with this post. Questions answered in advance: No, I won’t tell you what name I write under. My family knows it. If they found me here, there’d be heck to pay. No, none of my books have been made into movies. Close a time or two. One was optioned briefly. No movie. Too bad. I could use the money. No, I’m not Stephen King, though I wish I had his money. I’m not Ann McCaffrey. The only similarity between us is that we’re both older than dirt and we both have written about dragons. I’m not satisfying anyone’s curiosity, am I? I’m mildly sorry. But you understand the issues I think.

    There are more Witness and ex-Witness writers out there than you may realize. One writes SF. One of the guys I pioneered with back in the 60’s writes history. A sister I grew up with writes chick books, mild romance with no sex and no violence - “I found true love” stuff that is sold primarily to the “Christian” market.

    Isn’t it sad that creativity is frowned on by many Watchtowerites? When my first book was published my daughters wanted to tell everyone. No. Just no. I know “the brothers” well enough to know that someone would make it an issue, because they have 1. No sense of proportion in life; 2. Hate the very idea of creativity and see writing of any sort as the sole province of some under educated Brooklynite; and 3. It’s none of their business.

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    Not sure what you are saying. Someone posted an entire book online to download on this site? Was it in pdf format or just a link to amazon.com? Do you have a link to the original post we can see?

    Are you certain it was not the author's work? Which book is it? Or were there only exerpts? Was there any accompanying commentary on the matter? Did the poster acknowledge it to be the work of another? Are we talking about the book on amazon.com to which you provided the link?

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