Those who can't be resurrected...

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  • Tuesday

    Hey folks a little help. I seem to remember when I was younger reading an article talking about people who probably wouldn't be resurrected, those who turned their back on Jehovah being the primary example. I can't find the article to cite though, does anyone here know which article mentioned this?

    Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

  • blondie

    Suggested in the past:




    People who died in the flood

    People who died at Sodom and Gomorrah


    Religious leaders of Jesus day who died without repenting

    People who die at Armageddon

    (Once believed that people who died between 1914 and Armageddon who weren't jws would go to Gehenna since it was a judgment period. That changed when the WTS determined that the sheep and the goats were not to be separated until after the great tribulation started)


    w82 4/1 p. 27 par. 6 Survival or Destruction at the "Great Tribulation"


    Now, the Bible definitely shows that some end up in the symbolic Gehenna before the 1,000-year Judgment Day begins. Jesus told the unrepentant scribes and Pharisees that they and their Gentile proselytes were ‘subjects for Gehenna’ or, literally, ‘sons of Gehenna.’ (Matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also John 9:39-41; 15:22-24.) If even a proselyte of the Pharisees became a subject for Gehenna ‘twice as much so as themselves,’ how much more so Judas Iscariot, who made a heinous deal with them to betray God’s Son! Jesus implied this when he called Judas "the son of destruction." (John 17:12) Similarly, unrepentant apostates go, at death, not to Sheol, or Hades, but to Gehenna. (Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Peter 2:1) The same is true of dedicated Christians who persist in willful sin or those who "shrink back." (Hebrews 10:26-31, 38, 39) These are merely examples to show that some, even in "this system of things," have committed the sin for which there is no forgiveness, not even in the system of things "to come." (Matthew 12:31, 32; compare 1 John 5:16.) They will, therefore, not be resurrected



    w05 5/1 pp. 16-17 Who Will Be Resurrected?


    Who Are in Gehenna?

    Compare David’s situation with that experienced by the Greater David, Jesus. One of Christ’s 12 apostles, Judas Iscariot, turned traitor like Ahithophel. Judas’ treacherous act was far more serious than that of Ahithophel. Judas acted against God’s only-begotten Son. In a prayer at the end of his earthly ministry, God’s Son reported about his followers: "When I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me; and I have kept them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled." (John 17:12) By here referring to Judas as "the son of destruction," Jesus indicated that when Judas died, there was no hope of a return for him. He did not live on in God’s memory. He went, not to Sheol, but to Gehenna. What is Gehenna?

    Jesus condemned the religious leaders of his day because they made each of their disciples "a subject for Gehenna." (Matthew 23:15) Back at that time, people were familiar with the Valley of Hinnom, an area used as a garbage dump where bodies of executed criminals who were deemed unworthy of a proper burial were deposited. Earlier, Jesus himself had made mention of Gehenna in his Sermon on the Mount. (Matthew 5:29, 30) Its symbolic meaning was clear to his listeners. Gehenna represented complete destruction without hope of a resurrection. Apart from Judas Iscariot of Jesus’ day, have others gone to Gehenna rather than to Sheol, or Hades, at their death?

    The first humans, Adam and Eve, were created perfect. Their fall into sin was deliberate. Before them was either everlasting life or death. They disobeyed God and sided with Satan. When they died, they had no prospect of benefiting from Christ’s ransom sacrifice. Rather, they went to Gehenna.

    Adam’s firstborn son, Cain, murdered his brother Abel and thereafter lived as a fugitive. The apostle John described Cain as one "who originated with the wicked one." (1 John 3:12) It is reasonable to conclude that like his parents, he went to Gehenna when he died. (Matthew 23:33, 35) What a contrast this is with the situation of righteous Abel! "By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain, through which faith he had witness borne to him that he was righteous, God bearing witness respecting his gifts," explained Paul, adding, "and through it he, although he died, yet speaks." (Hebrews 11:4) Yes, Abel is presently in Sheol awaiting a resurrection.

    Then there is the concept of special "judgment periods."


    w60 1/15 pp. 52-53 This Is a Time of Judgment


    There have been certain periods in human history when Jehovah God has turned his attention toward the earth for judgment. The people he put under surveillance were judged by their course of action toward his righteous principles and purposes. The first human pair, for example, were under divine judgment, but their bad conduct brought them a sentence of death.

    The people who lived immediately before the flood of Noah’s day passed through a judgment period that ended when the Flood swept most of them out of existence. Because of their wicked disregard for God and his purposes he judged them adversely. "He did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people."—2 Pet. 2:5.

    There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that these people were or shall be punished in a fiery hell. From the time of Adam to this very day the punishment for wickedness has not been conscious torment in a fiery hell but rather death—a cutting off from life. "For the wages sin pays is death." "Jehovah is guarding all those loving him, but all the wicked ones he will annihilate."—Rom. 6:23; Ps. 145:20.

    After mentioning the world destroyed by the Flood and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed by fire, Peter states: "Jehovah knows how to deliver people of godly devotion out of trial, but to reserve unrighteous people for the day of judgment to be cut off." (2 Pet. 2:9) These two outstanding judgment periods were proofs of this. The wicked people in each period were reserved, or allowed to remain, throughout their judgment periods until the day of their execution. But persons of godly devotion who had received a favorable judgment were preserved.

    These judgment periods are examples for us. They are prophetic pictures of the great judgment period in which we now live. Jesus himself pointed this out when he said: "Just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man . . . Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot."—Luke 17:26, 28.


    w52 6/1 p. 341-50 Fixing Destinies in This Judgment Period


  • Inkie


    What "blondie" writes is true; however, note that the Bible says that ALL will be resurrected. The apostle Paul stated that there is 'going to be a resurrection of both the righteous AND UNRIGHTEOUS.' After that (as to where you go), it's up to God.


  • leavingwt

    "The Man of Lawlessness", defined as the "clergy of Christendom".

  • shiatsu58

    Last year I had a heart attack and was declared dead for 33 mins, after which I was in a coma for 3 days, on life support and the doctors declared that I probably would be brain dead, before they turned the machines off, I started twitching etc and as I said I came around after the third day, so if I was a JW should I still be here?????????????????

  • Luo bou to
    Luo bou to

    Dis fellowshipped ones who die before Armageddon.

  • bob1999

    I found this on the net. You need a program to keep up!

    Sodom and Gomorrah


      "Thus our Lord teaches that the Sodomites did not have a full opportunity; and he guarantees them such opportunity." Studies in the Scriptures, Series I p.110 (see also w.1879 July p.8)
    Not Resurrected

    Changed in the Watchtower 1952 June 1st as quoted above. See also

      "He was pin-pointing the utter impossibility of ransom for unbelievers or those willfully wicked, because Sodom and Gomorrah were irrevocably condemned and destroyed, beyond any possible recovery." Watchtower 1954 February 1 p.85
    Resurrected Again

      "As in the case of Tyre and Sidon, Jesus showed that Sodom, bad as it was, had not got to the state of being unable to repent ... So the spiritual recovery of the dead people of Sodom is not hopeless" Watchtower 1965 March 1 p.139

      "It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgment Day than for that city." Sodom and Gomorrah were everlastingly destroyed as cities, but this would not preclude a resurrection for people of those cities." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.985
    Not Resurrected

      "Consequently, in addition to what Jude 7 says, the Bible uses Sodom/Gomorrah and the Flood as patterns for the destructive end of the present wicked system. It is apparent, then, that those whom God executed in those past judgments experienced irreversible destruction." Watchtower 1988 June 1 p.31 Questions From Readers

      "Some adjustments will be made in future printings of the Live Forever book. The only significant change is with regard to the Sodomites, on pages 178 and 179. This change appeared in the Revelation book, page 273, and in The Watchtower of June 1, 1988, pages 30 and 31. You may wish to note it in earlier printings that you have on hand." Kingdom Ministry 1989 December (US Edition) p.7

      "A definite indication is found at Jude 7, where we read that "Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them . . . are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Yes, the destruction of the gross sinners in those cities was eternal, as will be the destruction of the wicked at the end of the present system of things." Watchtower 1990 April 15 p.20



      "All are to be awakened from the Adamic death, as though from a sleep, by virtue of the ransom given..." Studies in the Scriptures Series V p.478 - Russell

      "Under this new covenant the whole human race shall have the opportunity to come back to God through Christ the mediator" The Harp of God p.328 (or p.334 according to edition) - Rutherford
    Not Resurrected

      "It has been held by many that the Scriptures guarantee that 'all must come back from the dead' at Christ's return and during his thousand-year rule. (Studies in the Scriptures, Series Five, pages 476-486). That conclusion does not appear to have support in reason or in the Scriptures" Salvation p.224 - Rutherford
  • IMHO

    Doesn't the Bible say that "the wages of sin are death".

    Therefore ALL those that have died have paid the price.

    Therefore the slate has been wiped clean and they can be ressurected to have the same chance as Adam and Eve?

    The opportunity to serve God (or not) from a perfect start.

    So in answer to the original question; I would say Adam and Eve.

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Shiatsu58 - your story reminds me of the ancient sun-god Horus who was dead for three days and was resurrected.

    Perhaps you are destined to save humanity....

    but seriously, we are all glad you pulled through! Sounds like a very rough ordeal to go through. Hopefully you have regained your strength and are feeling better!

    The Oracle

  • creativhoney

    there is much debate on the horus resurrected topic. - surely if horus was the same of jesus, christians would have noticed, but its a big part of the zeitgeist theories, but apparently this theory originated with Gerald Massey, an English poet, born 1828, died 1927. .. just food for thought.

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