Bethelite writes -Can be Disfellowshiped for being FAT??? Amazingly abusive articles!!!!

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  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    These articles blow me away! It's obviously written by a Bethelite who sits at a table with hungry young Bethel boys! If you've eaten at Bethel you know what I mean...get in quick or the chicken, beans etc will be gone! Keep this in mind when reading these back stabbing articles.

    Watch 74 p.167 "By overindulging in food and making himself a glutton, he fails to show love for Jehovah God...Is food a big thing in your life? In the presence of others does he selfishly ignore the needs of others and take far more then his fair share? Is he grossly overweight, but shows no restraint at all as to food, habitually gorging himself? Does he feel uncomfortable, perhaps even getting sick because of eating to much? One who persists in making a glutton of himself has no place in the Congregation..."

    Watch 78 12/15 p.9 "At a meal the glutton may make it impossible for other diners to eat to satisfaction, for this reason the glutton may even become dispised...because of his greedy ways others may shun him...he may incurr God's displeasure and lose his life...God will bring law defying gluttons to an end..."

    When were you at a dinner where Brother glutton ate all the Lamb chops and everyone else went hungry? Watch out Fat Brothers you may be disfellowshiped for that huge tummy!

  • civicsi00
    civicsi00

    Wow, that's some crazy stuff. This was written back in '74?

  • carla
    carla

    may incurr God's displeasure and lose his life...God will bring law defying gluttons to an end..." -- are you kidding? that is not your emphasis? Gluttony is what outsiders would call a salvation issue???? Kind of a doubled edged sword for jw's, poor things, first they are dispised by fellow jw's in life, and even God hates them and will destroy them eternally. Life sure is hard for jw's. What about gluttony just once and a while? like on the jw non Thanksgiving Thanksgivning dinner? the non Christmas Christmas Dinner?

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    This was a sore subject for a long time. There is one heavy who I think is Losch's secretary who practically rolled into our Gilead class. Trust me, if he was on a diet, it was a steak and creme brule diet...

    In May 1 1986 WT, they softened the quotes above, simply because too many overzealous elders were trying to delete other elders based on how big their trousers were. (I shit thee not... and any italics are mine...)

    Questions

    AreJehovah’sWitnessesasfirmaboutgluttonyamongtheirmembersastheyareabouttheharmfultobaccohabit?
    FromReaders

    Jehovah’s Witnesses take a Bible-based stand against tobacco, and they equally accept the Scriptural condemnation of gluttony.

    They believe that smoking violates Bible principles. Smoking involves a nicotine addiction. Further, it is unnatural to inhale smoke. Smoking defiles the body, causes health problems, and has shortened lives that should have been used to God’s praise. Smoking also dangerously pollutes air that others breathe; certainly, that is not neighbor love.—2 Corinthians 7:1; Romans 12:1; Mark 12:33.

    What, though, about gluttonous overeating? Frankly, the Bible condemns gluttony, which is greedy excess in eating, or voracious overeating. An Israelite son who was unrepentantly "a glutton and a drunkard" was to be executed. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) Proverbs warns against "having companionship with gluttons." (Proverbs 28:7; 23:20, 21) Gluttony is also wrong since we are told that "greedy persons" will not inherit God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; compare 1 Peter 4:3; Philippians 3:18, 19.) Christian overseers are to be "self-controlled," not "unemployed gluttons." (Titus 1:8, 12) This is so serious that some overseers have been removed because of their uncontrolled eating.

    It must be recognized, however, that determining when gluttony exists is not easy. Eating (in contrast with inhaling tobacco smoke) is natural and proper. Nor is being fat the sole criterion of gluttony; a very thin person might be a glutton. It is not being overweight that the Bible censures but, rather, overeating, which may or may not result in obesity.

    Some people are overweight because of glandular disorders or disease, though Professor Judith Rodin holds that only "5 percent of all cases of obesity are caused primarily by medical problems." Heredity may incline a person to stockiness. Dr. William Bennett comments: "Lots of fat people maintain their weight by eating about what an average-weight person does . . . They are metabolically different." Certain scientists even feel that if a fat person eats less, his body lowers its metabolic rate so that he burns calories more slowly. But even if a fat person is not a glutton in the sense of being a voracious eater, he (or she) may need to apply more seriously God’s counsel.

    For example, Christians should cultivate self-control, which applies to eating too. (Galatians 5:22, 23; 2 Peter 1:5-8) The apostle Paul urged the Christian to be like a runner who "exercises self-control in all things." Paul ‘pummeled his body and led it as a slave that he should not become disapproved.’ (1 Corinthians 9:24-27) A stout person may have reason to ‘pummel his body’ as to how much, what, when, and how he eats.

    Being fat can be dangerous. Reports show that obesity can lead to higher blood pressure and cholesterol levels, adult-onset diabetes, several types of cancer, heart and gallbladder disease, arthritis, and respiratory problems. "A person who is 20 percent overweight faces a death rate one-third higher than average; for those 30 and 50 percent overweight, the rates are 50 and 100 percent higher, respectively." (TheNewYorkTimes, February 27, 1985) Similar reports of health problems come from England, Germany, and Italy.

    A Christian truly wants to ‘love Jehovah with his whole heart, soul [or, life], mind, and strength.’ (Mark 12:30) Many, upon studying Christianity, quit smoking to preserve their health and life. Should not Christians be just as concerned that being overweight because of overindulgence might undermine their health and their life that is dedicated to Jehovah?

    Some people eat more when they are sad, frustrated, lonely, or angry. While being a Christian does not wholly prevent such feelings, rather than finding relief in unnecessary eating, the Christian can turn to God and to his brothers. In this regard read Philippians 4:6, 7, 11-13. Even scientists who hold that a person has a natural inclination toward a certain weight admit that this can be changed. They stress cutting down on high-fat food and increasing physical activity. Interestingly, in many areas a Christian who shares regularly in the door-to-door ministry does much healthful walking and climbing. Paul, too, ‘labored and toiled’ in the ministry.—2 Corinthians 11:26, 27.

    Thus, Jehovah’s Witnesses disapprove of gluttony because of what the Bible says. Whatever their weight, they strive to ‘exercise self-control in all things,’ including eating. This is not primarily because of a cultural judgment about fashion but because they want to live by Bible principles and be active Christians having God’s approval.

    [Footnotes]

    How much: consistently eating less at each meal. What: cutting down on starchy junk foods and sodas, and on sweets and fats, such as butter and oils, in favor of a healthful, balanced diet. When: not snacking between meals or secretly. How: eating more slowly.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    There are Ton`s of over wieght JW`s,(Pun intended..LOL!!)..Co`s /Do`s /Po`s /RF........The WBT$ would lose an incredible amount of JW membership,if they DF`d every over wieght person...................................OUTLAW

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze
    In the presence of others does he selfishly ignore the needs of others and take far more then his fair share? Is he grossly overweight, but shows no restraint at all as to food, habitually gorging himself? Does he feel uncomfortable, perhaps even getting sick because of eating to much?

    I don't see anything wrong with any of these statements. JWs aren't the only ones who look down on gluttony.

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze

    I know of no one who has ever been removed from the cong for being too overweight. I think there are far more legitimate things to criticize them for then encouraging people to not make pigs of themselves when they eat.

  • carla
    carla

    Keyser, How many religions make it a salvation issue? how many tell you it will affect your eternal life with God? It doesn't teach self control at all! for a jw it means I better push myself away from the table because it is a jw rule, I could get in trouble for being fat, I could be destroyed eternally for being a glutton. Self control would be exactly that, 'self' not imposed by the dictators in NY. Self control should come from wanting to be healthier or be a good example to your children not act as a child and say the big boys in NY told me I can't eat anymore.

  • blondie
    blondie

    I will make just a small point, being fat does not = being a glutton.

  • zombie dub
    zombie dub

    But it does nearly always mean that person is eating too much for them, otherwise they wouldn't be fat. They might have a slow metabolism, fine, then then need to eat less.

    All the fatty Jdubs I ever knew ate loads, cakes after every group, biscuits with every coffee, then wondered why they were fat?

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