WTS are tax evaders!!

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  • 1914BS
    1914BS

    We all know that the Watchtower bible and tract societies corporations pay no property tax or income taxes on donations from the kingdom halls.

    Yet they condemn other corporations for being tax evaders . Look at this rubbish from their own web site

    Payers, Avoiders, and Evaders

    Most people will at least begrudgingly acknowledge the benefits that taxes bring to their community. The head of the British Inland Revenue once explained: "Nobody enjoys paying income tax, but few people argue that we would be better off without it." Some estimate that the level of tax compliance in the United States is as high as 90 percent. One tax authority admits: "Much non-compliance stems from difficulty with the law and procedures, rather than from wilful evasion."

    Even so, many find ways to avoid paying certain taxes. For instance, consider what an article in U.S.News & World Report said about corporate taxes: "Many firms legally skirt a large share of their liability—and sometimes all of it—through tax breaks and accounting maneuvers." Giving an example of one clever scheme, the article continues: "A U.S. corporation sets up a firm in a foreign tax haven. It then turns the U.S. operation into a subsidiary of the foreign company." The company is thus spared paying U.S. taxes—which might be as high as 35 percent—even though the "headquarters may be little more than a filing cabinet and a mailbox."

  • ninja
    ninja

    if it was good enough for jesus it should be good enough for them.....jesus was hammered with tacks

  • mraimondi
    mraimondi

    what?!?! JWs are a recognized religion. They are tax exempt in most places by law?

    they SHOULDNT be, but for the MOST part, they are legally not paying taxes.

    All religion should be taxed however.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    The WTS went so far as to claim they were NOT na religion but a community organization. JWs could not take Bibles with them to meetings or when preaching!!!

    Read the following from quoted from http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/31982/1/Mexico-Malawi-2424242424:

    La Torre del Vigia (Watchtower Society - Mexico)

    Relatively recently, in the Watchtower of January 1st 1990, page 7, it was announced that the status of the organisation in Mexico had been changed in 1989.

    The brothers and sisters in Mexico could now for the first time have prayers at the meetings, sing songs, and use the Bible when preaching. The article spoke of the 'tears of joy' brought by this 'thrilling change'.

    The Yearbook 1990 page 10 also reported this change. It said 'On April 1st a change in the status and organisational procedures of JWs took place in Mexico: Prayer may now be freely offered at all congregation meetings, and the bible may be used in field service. A woman active in a Catholic Bible Study program said about the witnesses new religious freedom: 'If they left us speechless before, now that they are opening the bible at the doors, we are lost!' [emphasis added - note the inference of the word 'freedom']

    (The undisputable fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses DID NOT use the NAME of Jehovah, nor Jesus, nor the Bible in their meetings or printed material. Here are two examples of INFORMADOR DE LA TORRE DEL VIGIA, from Kent" 1988 and .Note that Jesus is mentioned as: Maestro Principal and Gran Maestro. The Bible as Tradduccin. I'm not Spanish, so I don't know Superintendente Amoroso :-) But after their "freedom", after the law that denyed religious churches to own property was gone, they suddenly starts using Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible. The last example is from NUESTRO MINISTERIO DEL REINO.
    (comments done by ))

    Neither of these 1990 articles saw fit to explain what the previous situation in Mexico had been, and why they had previously been denied this religious freedom. A reader would probably conclude that the Mexican authorities must have changed or softened in some way, giving the witnesses a long awaited new religious freedom at last. They would be mistaken.

    The Awake 22 November 1993 p28 also had an item - 'Jehovah's Witnesses Given Legal Recognition in Mexico' that was also somewhat economical with the truth - Anyone reading it would get the CLEAR impression that the situation had previously been 'out of the witnesses hands' It said:

    • 'On May 7, Jehovah's Witnesses were granted legal status as a religion in Mexico. A document guaranteeing such recognition was given them by the Subsecretary of the Government Interior Department on May 31. Thus another step forward was taken toward religious freedom in Mexico. It was on April 1, 1989, that Jehovah's Witnesses were first able to offer prayer freely at their congregation meetings and use the Bible in their door-to-door ministry. There are over 370,000 Witnesses in Mexico. The Mexican government reformed its laws last year and began to give legal recognition to religious organizations in the country.'

    In 1917 the Mexican Laws of Reformation established full freedom of religion in Mexico. Probably due to extensive foreign mineral and oil land ownership, coupled with a past animosity between state and catholic church (prior to 1859 the catholic church held on third of all property and land) the ownership of mineral rights, property and land by foreign companies was curbed. Religious organisations, although free to worship, could not actually own property. The constitution meant that property was effectively held in custody by the state, but the religion was free to use this property for worship.

    The very recent Yearbook of 1995 throws considerably more light on the subject skates round the obvious but uncomfortable conclusions. It has a section devoted to the history of JWs in Mexico. A few sentences, here and there, admit what the situation was. On June 15th 1943 the 'La Torre del Vigia' (Watchtower Society - Mexico) was registered in Mexico by the WTS headquarters as a CULTURAL organisation rather than a religious one.Therefore BIBLES were not used in preaching, SONGS were not sung at meetings and assemblies, and even PRAYERS were not offered publicly. Congregations were called 'Cultural Companies' Baptism was called 'performing the symbol' Surely the society hadn't decided to opt for land and property ownership rather than religious status, prayer, use of Bibles etc. What other reason was there? The 1995 Yearbook does not fully explain this. It does say (on the subject of no public prayer) that 'there is nothing to stop someone silently offering prayer to Jehovah' but how can this possibly be resolved with Daniel's example in Dan 6:6-28 where Daniel prayed publicly, despite the Kings decree, -and landed up in the lions den as a result? Yet the society opted for a 'no public prayer status' voluntarily!

    Public Prayer is a primary part of worship for JWs everywhere else. So what changed in April 1989? Surely it had nothing to do with something as worldly as property ownership in 'this doomed old system of things?' The 1995 Yearbook (page 233) says that ' In 1988 after meetings with government representatives (who?) it was concluded that the organisation should operate as a religion even if it meant that meeting places would become federal property '. At last? Well, not quite. A number of pages later (Page 249-50) the Yearbook also says '..Carlos Salinas de Gortari began his term of presidency of the republic in December 1988 - one could see that there would be a change in policy regarding religion and a re-approachment with the Vatican'. Hmm. NB: By 1992 the actual constitution itself had been amended. Religions could own their own land and property. Parochial schools were OK's etc. etc. A timely coincidence?

    All this may give a little human insight into why their were double standards applied between Malawi and Mexico. But it does not explain, excuse or justify it. The questions it raises are quite simple. 1.Firstly, Is this all true? Or is it all lies? Did the society's headquarters not object to brothers in Mexico illegally bribing officials in order to obtain a certificate which placed them in the military reserves? 2. Was a 'cultural' rather than religious organisation set up in Mexico, [denying the use of Bibles to preach, public prayer etc] simply so that land and property could be owned? Or what were the other reason(s)? Was this 'cultural status' and it's voluntary nature fully explained in any publications (outside Mexico) prior to those mentioned here? Why was the change made in 1989? What prompted it, and was any land or property lost as a result? They claim to be God's sole visible organisation on earth today. If so, there must be a simple explanation. (If there is, then |I cant find it, amd letters to the Society on the matter go unanswered)

    Blondie as usual comes up with quotes http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/28532/2/Reasonings-on-Malawi-Mexico-Fiasco

    yb95 pp.212-213Mexico***

    For these and other reasons, the Society decided that it would be wise to reorganize, with a view to giving greater emphasis to the educational nature of our work. Therefore, on June 10, 1943, application was made to the Secretariat of Foreign Affairs to register La Torre del Vigía as a civil society, and this was approved on June 15, 1943.

    With this rearrangement, singing at our meetings was discontinued, and the meeting places became known as Halls for Cultural Studies. No audible prayers were said at meetings, though nothing could prevent a person from saying an earnest prayer silently in his heart. Every appearance of a religious service was avoided, and truly our meetings are designed for education. When Witnesses in other lands began to call their local groups "congregations," the Witnesses in Mexico kept on using the term "companies." House-to-house visits by the Witnesses continued, and with even more zeal; but direct use of the Bible at doors was avoided. Instead, publishers learned the texts by heart so that they could quote them. They also made good use of the book "MakeSureofAllThings," which is a compilation of Scripture quotations on many subjects. Only on return visits and on studies (which were termed "cultural" instead of "Bible") was the Bible itself used.

    In 1989, with the approval of the Governing Body, a letter was written to all the "companies" saying that as of April 1, we would be operating in Mexico as a religious organization. Afterward, in the June issue of NuestroMinisteriodelReino (OurKingdomMinistry), which was changed from being called Informador (Informant) delaTorredelVigía, further details were given. From then on, the Bible would be used from door to door, and prayers would be offered at meetings. Later, we began to sing songs at the meetings.

    and

    *** w901/1p.7"AglowWiththeSpirit"inMexico***

    A highlight of 1989 was a change in the status of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Mexico. As a result, the Bible could be used in the house-to-house preaching work for the first time, and meetings could be opened with prayer. This had an immediate effect. In two months, the number of publishers jumped by over 17,000.

    in the same thread flag says

    well, I'm mexican and I'm a woman so I don't have first hand experience about the military card and I was kind of young when the malawi issue was at it's prime.

    But as i grew up i noticed that it was a "don't ask do't tell policy" on how you got away with military service.

    Later on they printed the publications right there in mexico so they created a publishing co. called "grupo ultramar de cv"

    cv means "variable capital" which is term used for companies that make profit.

    And I always was bothered by the fact that other religions were willing to have a sign outside of their properties saying "federal property" but be free to worship freely and WT did not want to do it just because then all their properties will become goverment assets.

    Right after they become legally a religion they started with the KH construction using the same tactic used over here (give me the money, build it for free, put it on wt name, keep paying rent)

    Not much more to be said

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Lady Lee and Blondies posts,are Cutting!!..This thread deserves a BTTT..................................OUTLAW

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    I think charities should be exempt, but it may come to be that some day, countries will realize how much money they could bring in to a troubled world economy by taxing religions, even at a lower rate or only for certain things.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    It is worth noting that the positive comments about tax avoidance are a quote from someone else , rather than their own writing. They say :

    "Of course, Christians are free to take advantage of any legal tax deductions. In some instances, they may be in a position to avail themselves oftax advantages granted to those contributing to religious organizations. Nevertheless, in obedience to God's Word, true Christians do not engage in tax evasion. They pay their taxes, letting the authorities take full responsibility for how they use the money."

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20031208a/article_03.htm

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    One thing that other religions can show is the amount of community service they offer; housing for the homeless, meals, food banks, used clothing depots, counseling and support services, friendly visitors (without an agenda). For this reason I think they should be tax exempt. But it must be provable and the service must be available to anyone in the larger community.

    On those 2 counts the WTS should be taxed to the max since neither apply and they are a drain on community resources.

  • mraimondi
    mraimondi

    the fact that other churches preach politics from the pulpit is why THEY should be taxed to the max.

    and umm yeah, accept christianity or die starving? real humanitarian.

    there's just as much reason to tax "christendom" as there is to tax the dubs

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Ok I'm re-reading my last post and wondering where I said anything that solely refered to Christian churches. Non-Christian churches get tax exempt status as well. And we might not hear about it as much but they do a lot more for the community abd city/town/municipal community where they live than the acres of land the WTS owns in Brrooklyn alone that is tax free. The rest of Brokklyn/NY picks up their tab. The people of Brooklyn Heights have a lot to say about further expansion of the WTS in their area. They give nothing back for all those buildings while they accept water, garbage, police and other city resources. They don't even shop in local grocery stores, buy furniture (it is made on premises or was made at Wallkill (I forget which) therefore adding to the community wealth. Who knows how many other drains they have been on the local community?

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