Christ presence started in 1914: Acknowledge since 1925?

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  • Nick!
    Nick!

    Christ presence started in 1914: Acknowledged since 1925?

    According to the second WT article in the March 15 th edition of this year, paragraph 4 states that (translation) “ Jehovah’s witnesses recognize since 1925 that the first world war and the events which followed, constitute a clear evidence that Christ presence in his Heavenly Kingdom started in 1914”.

    Could someone kindly scan the English version of the above article and post-it online?

    It is the first time, at least personally, that I read such a statement in a WT literature.

    According to the book “Captive of a Concept” by Don Cameron, Chapter 3 page 22-23, the FIRST time the WT “recognized” that Christ’s presence happened in 1914, was only in 1943.
    How is it possible that this article of 2009 points to the year 1925 as the time when the JW first recognized the “true” event associated with 1914?

    Anyone has a clue?

    Thanks.

    Nick!

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    In 1925, the WT printed a series of articles titled "Birth of the Nation." This basically set up the framework for the current JW doctrines related to the Kingdom. This is when Rutherford really started to distinguish himself theologically from Russell.

    While the Watchtower still taught that Jesus' presence began in 1874, this series of articles asserted that Jesus' presence in kingdom power began in 1914. In other words, Jesus became present in 1874, but didn't really do anything until 1914, when he kicked the Devil out of heaven.

  • dozy
  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w74 8/15 p. 507 No Spiritual "Energy Crisis" for Discreet Ones ***In 1943 the Watch Tower Society’s book "TheTruthShallMakeYouFree" did away with the nonexistent extra 100 years in the period of the Judges and placed the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence in the 1970’s. It also fixed the beginning of Christ’s presence, not in 1874, but in 1914 C.E.

    1915 "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out" (C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I)

  • civicsi00
    civicsi00

    To add to the confusion, JW's also now teach that they had the foresight to predict "the end of the Gentile Times in 1914" 40 years in advance. But to be clear, Russell taught that the "end of the Gentile Times" was supposed to be the end of the world. This is something they don't come out and tell you clearly.

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    Since the Watchtower leadership and its anonymous writers regularly and pointedly speak with forked tongues in all their major doctrinal pronouncements there is always a measure of truth mixed with falsehood in those pronouncements. Take all their statements with a pinch of salt, and seek confirmation from more objective sources.

    The truth is far more prosaic, and ironically more complex that that found in Watchtower literature.

    1 Originally the Watchtower deity told his lackey, CT Russell, that:

    a. Jesus came invisibly to earth in 1874.

    b. There would then follow one generation of forty years when the "harvest" would be garnered, and the footstep followers of Christ would be selected. At the end of that generation, which would be in 1914, Christ would begin his reign, the Gentile nations would topple and the world would end.

    2 By 1925 this teaching had obviously become too absurd to maintain so Rutherford discovered that either this same deity who spoke to Russell, or another one, approached him and revealed a new "truth" This was that: a Jesus came invisibly in 1874, and

    b Jesus had only just begun to rule in 1914. Hitherto Jesus' taking up His rule signaled the end of Gentile rule and the end of the world, now it was discovered that it signalled the beginning of the end of Gentile rule. Now there was evidently a hiatus discovered, and rather than destroy the Gentile nations immediately, a generation would again be allowed to pass, before this destruction would occur.

    c. Rather than predicting the 1914 War beforehand, the significance of this conflict was only recognized in hindsight. Up to 1925, the Watchtower "explained" Matt 24:7 by pointing to the various conflicts that occurred in the 19th C, such as the Napoleonic wars, that began the century, the US Civil War, The Franco-Prussian War, etc. Now they conveniently had one central conflict to focus attention on. Their deity must be a slow learner. Took him eleven years to see this significance.

    3 1929 was the last time we hear about the dreaded date of 1874. In the book "Prophecy" [an oxymoron if ever there was one] on page 65 we have this sage remark: "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874"

    4 In 1932, in a brief, almost innocuous remark, the date 1914 is linked, not only with the rule of Christ which like his "presence" began "invisibly that year, but also with his second presence. If you blink you'd miss this remark. It is tucked away in a largely forgettable little booklet called "What is Truth"

    5 In 1943, Freddy Franz tidied up much of the tardy Watchtower theology that Rutherford bequeathed to the leaders as his unwanted legacy. Now, officially, Christ came invisibly in 1914, His rule invisibly began in that year, and the last generation, the "1914 generation" was given its genesis.

  • Nick!
    Nick!

    Dozy, thank you for the link!

    I had missed that.

    Nick!

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Here is part of that article:

    *** w25 3/1 pp. 69-73 Birth of the Nation ***

    Michael, who is Christ the Lord, has been present since 1874, but he did not interfere with Satan. He remained silent until his right to rule had come. Satan’s right had expired in 1914....It is inconsistent to think that Jesus, the righteous One, would take his power to reign in heaven and permit the devil to remain there; and he did not. Both Satan and his angels, namely, his official family, his invisible joint-rulers, were hurled down to the earth. That fight must have begun in 1914. Just how long it lasted the Scriptures do not indicate....Do not the physical facts bear witness that since 1914 there has been a greater element of wickedness in the earth than ever before, and that this wickedness is on the increase? Crimes, wickedness indescribable, and ascribable to none other than the devil’s influence, have become a common thing in the past few years....

    Satan and his official family must have been hurled out of heaven to the earth some time after 1914 and before 1918. After this battle, he must have been so dazed for some time that he did not realize what had happened to him. This is indicated by verse thirteen: "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth." This shows that it required for him some time to wake up to the fact. When he did arouse himself to this fact, he realized that the woman (Zion, God’s organization, which brought forth the new kingdom) still had some people in the earth; and he set about to persecute God’s organization on earth. Beginning in the Fall of 1917 (which is rcally the beginning of 1918) Satan began to marshal his forces to persecute those of God’s organization, Zion, pictured by the woman.

    In the spring of the year 1918 this persecution became so great that many of the Lord’s children of Zion were imprisoned and some killed. The SOCIETY, doing the Lord’s work, was disrupted, its officers imprisoned, and the entire Church restrained and greatly discouraged. With the happening of these events, brought about by Satan and his earthly representatives, evidently Satan reasoned that he was rid of this pestiferous company that stood in his way and exposed his wickedness....

    From 1878 to 1914 the people of Zion were expecting the birth of the new nation. At the same time the dragon stood by, waiting to devour whatsoever was born. In 1914 the birth of the nation occurred. In 1914 the war in heaven began, and Satan and his official family were thrown out of heaven. In 1918, after Satan recovered from his dazed condition, he set about to persecute the members of the Church on earth. In 1918 he caused the imprisonment of the officers of the SOCIETY and others. On March 26th, 1919, these were released from prison; and the Church (representing the woman) there fled into the wilderness for 1260 literal days. From March 27th, 1919, to September 8th, 1922, inclusive was exactly 1260 days, at the end of which period the remnant of the Church on earth makes a bald proclamation of its allegiance to the King and his kingdom, and announces its determination to begin and press the fight against Satan’s empire until it is excluded from the earth.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Proclaimers chap. 10 p. 137
    Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth
    As the events following 1914 began to unfold and the Bible Students compared these with what the Master had foretold, they gradually came to appreciate that they were living in the last days of the old system and that they had been since 1914. They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ's invisible presence had begun and that this was, not by his personally returning (even invisibly) to the vicinity of the earth, but by his directing his attention toward the earth as ruling King.


  • Ultimate Reality
    Ultimate Reality

    For the record, in the 1940 edition of the Harp of God (first published in 1921). Starting on page 234 in the Our Lord's Return chapter, you will find they still had the "old" chronology. With 1799 as the beginning of the time of the end, 606 BCE as the beginning of the Gentile Times, and 1874 marking the beginning of Christ's presence.

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