Does the Watchtower consider those who speak against their organization as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Blasphemy Against Holy Spirit?
by sacolton 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Chalam
Well the WT would have to be the Holy Spirit which it is not. Read these.
Galatians 4:6 (New International Version)
6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, [a] Father."
Romans 8:14-15 (New International Version)
14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. [ a ] And by him we cry, "Abba, [ b ] Father."
John 14:16-18 (New International Version)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be [a] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
The blasphemy that Jesus speaks of is the supernatural work of his Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
He said that because of their accusations and goes on to explain why their reasoning is flawed.
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, [d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
I have had this first hand with JWs who say that the gifts of the Holy Spirit that are in evidence today are such as speaking in tongues "of another spirit" i.e. demonic. Shame they don't read their bible carefully before spouting the WT nonsense. All the best, Stephen -
sacolton
Except they claim the Holy Spirit to be His active force and the organization is spirit-directed and the only channel from God.
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isaacaustin
I beleive they do sacolton. Not positive though. I have heard witnesses reference 'apostates' and make the comment that they are not sure if it is possible for an 'apostate' to come back.
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Caedes
If so, where can I sign up to do some blaspheming?!
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Chalam
Yeah with their flawed two class believer theology, those with a "earthy hope" can discount large areas of the bible as not for them-very convenient :(
Verses such as this.
2 Timothy 1:14 (New International Version)
14 Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.
And this
Romans 12:5 (New International Version)
5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
And this
John 10:16 (New International Version)
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
All the best,
Stephen
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WTWizard
Blasphemy against the holy spirit is when you know that religion is a scam. Why? Because such a person is capable of letting everyone in on the secrets. If there wasn't such extreme hatred against such people, others would listen. And, if everyone listened, people would stop going to churches and Kingdumb Hells. And they would all go belly up.
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sacolton
The Holy Spirit isn't a church or organization, but the Watchtower considers itself as the spirit since they remove "holy spirit" and include themselves in the baptismal vow. "Father, Son and spirit-directed organization".
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Chalam
Sounds like blasphemy to me!
I am sure they will find out in due course :(
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VM44
The Watchtower teaches that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah's Active Force and likens it to electricity.
So how can one commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" if it were an impersonal force?
Can one commit blasphemy against electricity, or against gravity?
How about blasphemy against the Electromagnetic Field?
This doesn't make sense.