The Bible the book of wisdom and knowledge .....really ?

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    And the hare, because he cheweth the cud. --Lev.11:6

    Many of the famous episodes in the biblical story of David and Solomon are fictions, historically questionable, or highly exaggerated. -- Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, David and Solomon

      Genesis

    1. "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."
      God purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey.

    2. "In the beginning" 1:1
      When was the universe created?

    3. "In the beginning" 1:1-2
      The Gap Theory

    4. The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. 1:1-2:3

    5. God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5

    6. God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8

    7. Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11

    8. God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all. 1:11

    9. In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14

    10. God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? 1:16

    11. "He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16

    12. "And God set them [the stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17

    13. In verse 11, God "let the earth bring forth" the plants. Now he has the earth "bring forth" the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24

    14. God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26

    15. God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth." 1:28

    16. "I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."1:29

    17. All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. 1:30

    18. "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31

    19. In Genesis 1 the entire creation takes 6 days, but the universe is at least 12 billion years old, with new stars constantly being formed. 1:31

    20. Humans were not created instantaneously from dust and breath, but evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. 2:7

    21. After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-22

    22. God fashions a woman out of one of Adam's ribs.
      Because of this story, it was commonly believed (and sometimes it is still said today) that males have one less rib than females. When Vesalius showed in 1543 that the number of ribs was the same in males and females, it created a storm of controversy. 2:19

    23. God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? 3:14

    24. Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the (false) Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. 3:17-18

    25. When Lamech was born, nine generations were alive at once. Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech were all alive at the time of Lamech's birth. Adam lived to see his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson. 5:25

    26. "There were giants in the earth in those days." Well, I suppose it's good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? 6:4

    27. Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long. 6:14-15

    28. Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of "every thing that creepeth upon the earth." 7:8

    29. God opens the "windows of heaven." He does this every time it rains. 7:11

    30. All of the animals boarded the ark "in the selfsame day." 7:13-14

    31. The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare. 7:20

    32. "The windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained." This happens whenever it stops raining. 8:2

    33. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11

    34. When the animals left the ark, what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find their way back after the flood subsided? 8:19

    35. Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. 8:20-21

    36. "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." Although this would have been good advice for the mythical Noah, it is deadly advice for humankind as a whole. Overpopulation is one of our greatest problems, yet there is nothing in the bible to address it. 9:1

    37. According to this verse, all animals fear humans. Although it is true that many do, it is also true that some do not. Sharks and grizzly bears, for example, are generally much less afraid of us than we are of them. 9:2

    38. "Into your hand are they (the animals) delivered." God gave the animals to humans, and they can do whatever they please with them. This verse has been used by bible believers to justify all kinds of cruelty to animals and environmental destruction. 9:2

    39. God is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. He even puts the rainbow in the sky to remind himself of his promise to the animals not to do it again. But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed. 9:13

    40. Some creationists believe that this verse refers to continental drift, which, they say, began to occur during the days of Pelag (which means "division"), about 100 or so years after the flood. But many other creationists disagree. 10:25

    41. "The whole earth was of one language." But this could not be true, since by this time (around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others. 11:1, 6

    42. God worries that people could build a tower high enough to reach him (them?) in heaven, and that by so doing they will become omnipotent. 11:4-6

    43. According to the Tower of Babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by God. But actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time. 11:9

    44. The ridiculously long lives of the patriarchs. 11:10-32

    45. "And they returned to the land of the Philistines." But the Philistines didn't arrive in the region of Canaan until around 1200 BCE -- 800 years after Abraham's supposed migration from Ur. 21:32, 26:1, 8, 15, 18

    46. Laban learns "by experience" that God has blessed him for Jacob's sake. "By experience" means "by divination", at least that is how most other versions translate this verse. 30:27

    47. Jacob displays his (and God's) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats. 30:37-39

    48. God (or an angel) praises Jacob for his fancy genetic work in Gen.30:37-39. 31:11-12

    49. Joseph and his magic divining cup. 44:5, 44:15

      Exodus

    50. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 16:35

    51. The Israelite population went from 70 (or 75) to several million in a few hundred years. 1:5,7, 12:37, 38:26

    52. Why are some people born with disabilities? Because God deliberately makes them that way. 4:11

    53. God led the Israelites through the land of the Philistines, hundreds of years before the Philistines were established in Canaan. 13:17

    54. If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26

    55. "The manna referred to in the Bible, in Exodus 16:14, seems to have been the dried excrement of Trabutina mannipara, a scale insect that feeds on tamarisk trees." Benjamin B. Normark, The Sex Lives of Scales, Natural History, Sept. 2004. 16:14-15

    56. A magical trumpet played loud while God came down in smoke, fire, and earthquakes onto Mt. Sinai. 19:16-18

    57. "In six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them."
      Believers often say that the "days" of creation should be taken allegorically, but this verse is quite clear. God created the universe in six 24 hour days. 20:11

      Leviticus

    58. The bible says that hares and coneys are unclean because they "chew the cud" but do not part the hoof. But hares and coneys are not ruminants and they do not "chew the cud." 11:5-6

    59. Bats are birds to the biblical God. 11:13, 19

    60. Four-legged fowls are abominations. 11:20

    61. Be sure to watch out for those "other flying creeping things which have four feet." (I wish God wouldn't get so technical!) I guess he must mean four-legged insects. You'd think that since God made the insects, and so many of them (at least several million species), that he would know how many legs they have! 11:23

    62. God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-52

      Numbers

    63. The Israelite population went from seventy (Ex.1:5) to several million (over 600,000 adult males) in just a few generations! 1:45-46

    64. God sends quails to feed his people until they were "two cubits [about a meter] high upon the face of the earth." Taking the "face of the earth" to be a circle with a radius of say 30 kilometers (an approximate day's journey), this would amount to 3 trillion (3x10 12 ) liters of quails. At 2 quails per liter, this would provide a couple million quails for each of several million people. 11:31

    65. God strikes Miriam with leprosy. (In the Bible, leprosy is caused by the wrath of God or the malice of Satan.) 12:10

    66. "And there we saw the giants ... And we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." This statement may have been figurative, hyperbole, typical biblical exaggeration, or an actual description of the sons of Anak, in which case they must have been about 100 meters tall. These are the same giants (the Nephilium) that resulted when the "sons of God" mated with "the daughters of men in Gen.6:4. Of course these superhuman god-men should have been destroyed in the flood. So what are they doing still alive? 13:33

    67. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 14:33, 32:13

    68. God's cure for snakebite: a brass serpent on a pole. 21:8

    69. God has "the strength of a unicorn." Oh heck, I bet he's even stronger than a unicorn. 23:22, 24:8

      Deuteronomy

    70. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 2:7, 8:2, 29:5

    71. "A land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time." (They must have been much more common back then.) 2:10-11, 20-21

    72. Og, the king of the giants, was a tall man, even by NBA standards. His bed measured 9 by 4 cubits (13.5 feet long and 6 feet wide). 3:11

    73. God promises to cast out seven nations including the Amorites, Canaanites, and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. These nations were "greater and mightier" than the Israelites, who according to Ex.12:37 and Num.1:45-46 already had numbered several million. So the region, according to the bible, must have had a population of more than twenty million! 7:1

    74. This verse mistakenly says that the hare chews its cud. 14:7-8

    75. To the biblical God, a bat is just an another unclean bird. 14:11, 18

    76. "An eagle ... beareth them on her wings."
      Do eagles carry their young on their wings? I know of no evidence (except for the single anecdote provided here) that they do. 32:11

    77. "Their wine is the poison of dragons." I wonder what genus and species the bible is referring to when it mentions dragons. 32:33

    78. Joseph's "horns are like the horns of a unicorn." 33:17

      Joshua

    79. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 5:6

    80. In Joshua 8 the Israelites destroy Ai and make it a desolate heap. But Ai was an abandoned city by the time of the Israelites and this story is a myth invented to explain the ruins of an ancient city that the Israelites encountered. See Archaeology and Biblical Accuracy by Farrell Till. 8:1-29

    81. This verse says that Ai was never again occupied after it was destroyed by Joshua. But Nehemiah (7:32) lists it among the cities of Israel at the time of the Babylonian captivity. 8:28

    82. In a divine type of daylight savings time, God makes the sun stand still so that Joshua can get all his killing done before dark. 10:12-13

    83. "And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which as of the remnant of the giants...." 12:4, 18:6

      Judges

    84. "The stars in their courses fought against Sisera." Unless astrology is true, how can the stars affect the outcome of a battle? 5:20

    85. "As the sun ... goeth forth in his might." The sun, according to the bible, goes around the earth. 5:31

      Ruth (None)

      1 Samuel

    86. "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. 2:8

    87. "So Samuel called unto the LORD; and the LORD sent thunder and rain." 12:18

    88. After Jonathan's first slaughter (20 men in one half acre), God showed his approval with "a very great trembling." 14:15

    89. Goliath was ten feet tall ("six cubits and a span"). 17:4

      2 Samuel

    90. "He weighed the hair of his head at two hundred shekels."
      Absalom's hair was heavy upon him14:25-26

    91. In what is surely a biblical exaggeration, we are told that "the servants of David" killed 20,000 soldiers in one day. And that "the wood [forest] devoured more people that day than the sword devoured." It must have been spooky forest to have devoured more than 20,000 soldiers. 18:7-8

    92. A giant with six fingers and six toes. 21:20

    93. "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth."
      What happens when God gets mad? The earth shakes, the foundations of heaven move, smoke comes out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth."22:8-9

    94. "The foundations of the world were discovered ... at the blast of the breath of his nostrils." 22:16

    95. How many soldiers did Israel have? This verse says that Judah and Israel had a total of 1,300,000 fighting men (1 Chr.21:5 says 1,570,000) in this battle. Of course, this is a ridiculously high number for a battle between two tribal armies in 1000 BCE. (The United States had about 1.37 million active duty soldiers in 2001.) 24:9

      1 Kings

    96. This verse implies that the value of p is 3. (The actual value is approximately 3.14159.)
      Good Math, Bad Math: Innumerate Fundamentalists and p
      7:23

    97. God creates droughts by causing "heaven to shut up" as a punishment for sin. 8:35

    98. Ever the playful spirit, God withers, and then restores, the hand of king Jeroboam. 13:4

    99. God passes by and causes a great wind, earthquake, fire, and a little voice. (God was in the little voice.) 19:11-12

      2 Kings

    100. Lehi prayed and pillar of fire appeared out of nowhere on a rock. 1:6

    101. God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2:23-24

    102. Elisha restores the life of a dead child, but only after laying on him a couple of times, putting his mouth on the child's mouth, his eyes on the child's eyes, and his hands on the child's hands. Finally, the child responds by sneezing seven times.
      Was this a miraculous healing or artificial respiration? 4:32-35

    103. Elisha cures a leper, but only after the leper dips himself seven times in the Jordan. 5:14

    104. Elisha not only can cure leprosy, he can also dish it out. Here he makes his servant (Gehazi) and all his descendants lepers forever. 5:27

    105. A dead body is brought to life when it accidentally touches the bones of Elisha. 13:21

    106. "So, king of Egypt"
      There was no king of Egypt of the time named "So" or with any similar name. 17:4

    107. Take a lump of figs. And they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered." 20:7

    108. Isaiah, with a little help from God, makes the sun move backwards ten degrees. Now that's quite a trick. All at once, the earth stopped spinning and then reversed its direction of rotation. Or maybe the sun traveled around the earth in those days! 20:11

      1 Chronicles

    109. Some creationists believe that this verse (and Gen.10:25) refers to continental drift, which, they say, began to occur during the days of Pelag (which means "division"), about 100 or so years after the flood. 1:19

    110. "The earth ... shall be stable, that it be not moved." It doesn't spin on its axis or travel about the sun. 16:30

    111. According to this verse David's army had 1,100,000 men from Israel and 470,000 men from Judah, Of course, this numbers is ridiculously high for a battle between two tribal armies in 1000 BCE. (The United States had about 1.37 million active duty soldiers in 2001.) 21:5 David provides Solomon with a fantastically large amount of gold and silver with which to build the temple: 100,000 talents of gold and 1,000,000 talents of silver. Since a talent was about 60 pounds, this would be about 3,000 tons of gold and 30,000 tons of silver. 22:14

    112. King David collects ten thousand drams (or darics) for the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. This is especially interesting since darics were coins named after King Darius I who lived some five hundred years after David. 29:7

    113. As usual, the reported amounts of gold, silver, and iron are grossly exaggerated. (100,000 talents of iron, for example, would be about 34 million kilograms.) 29:7

      2 Chronicles

    114. Since the molten sea was round with a diameter of ten cubits and a circumference of thirty cubits, we know that the biblical value of p is 3. (The actual value is approximately 3.14159.) 4:2

    115. Abijah spoke to 1,200,000 soldiers at one time. (He had a really loud voice.) 13:3-4

    116. 500,000 soldiers die in a single God-assisted slaughter. 13:16-17

    117. In the largest single God-assisted massacre in the bible, Asa, with God's help, kills one million Ethiopians. 14:8-14

    118. Asa, when he had a foot disease, went to physicians instead of seeking the Lord. (God disapproves of those who seek medical help rather than "seeking the Lord.") 16:12

    119. God makes Uzziah a leper for burning incense without a license. 26:19-21

      Ezra

    120. In the house of the rolls ... in Babylon" This is the only library building mentioned in the Bible. The author mistakenly thought that Media was a part of Babylon. 6:1-2

      Nehemiah (None)

      Esther

    121. "Haman thought in his heart." Most people think with their heads, but biblical folks think with their hearts. 6:6

      Job

    122. The earth rests upon pillars and doesn't move (unless God gets angry or something). 9:6

    123. "Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not."
      The earth is fixed and the sun travels about it. 9:7

    124. "The measure thereof is longer than the earth."
      (What is the length of a sphere?) 11:9

    125. Heaven is set upon pillars that tremble when God gets mad. 26:11

    126. "By the breath of God frost is given." 37:10

    127. The earth is set on foundations and it does not move. 38:4-6

    128. "That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it."
      God could (if he wanted to) pick up the earth by its ends and shake all the wicked people off of it.
      38:13

    129. God has snow and hail all stored up to use later "in time of trouble. 38:22

    130. God spread out the sky, which is a solid structure, hard and strong like a mirror. 37:18

    131. Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion?"
      God seems pleased to have created prey for lions and ravens to eat. 38:39-41

    132. Ostriches are not cruel and stupid birds who abandon their eggs to die after laying them, as these verses imply. They are, in fact, careful and attentive parents. The male scoops out a hollow for the eggs, which are incubated by the female during the day and the male at night. After the eggs are hatched, they are cared for by the mother for over a month, at which time the chicks can keep up with running adults. 39:13-16

    133. The bible is wrong about ostriches being cruel and inattentive parents (39:13-16). But if they were, whose fault would it be? Why would God deprive them of the tools that are needed to do the job right? 39:17

    134. "The eagle ... seeketh the prey.... Her young ones suck up blood."
      God is pleased with the way that predators kill and devour their prey. 39:27-30

    135. Bible believers have identified the behemoth as a hippopotamus, dinosaur, wildebeest, or crocodile. But my favorite is the way these verses are translated by Stephen Mitchell: "Look now: the Beast that I made: he eats grass like a bull. Look: the power in his thighs, the pulsing sinews of his belly. His penis stiffens like a pine; his testicles bulge with vigor." 40:15-16

    136. "Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord?" 41:1-34

    137. "His [the leviathan's] teeth are terrible round about."
      God has equipped predators with teeth that tear the flesh of their prey. 41:14

      Psalms

    138. "The righteous God trieth the hearts and reins."
      Jesus will search your kidneys7:9

    139. "My reins also instruct me in the night seasons."
      Jesus will search your kidneys16:7

    140. The earth shakes whenever God really gets mad. 18:7

    141. "The foundations of the world were discovered ... at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils." (The earth is set on firm foundations and does not move -- unless God blows his nose.) 18:15

    142. "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." 19:1

    143. The sun moves around the earth. 19:4-6

    144. "Try my reins and my heart."
      Jesus will search your kidneys26:2

    145. From his seat in heaven, God can see the whole earth and all its inhabitants.
      (He sits directly above the earth, which is a flat disc below him.) 33:14-15

    146. Diseases are sent by God to punish sin. 38:3

    147. "I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. ... The world is mine, and the fulness thereof."
      God takes credit for the entire creation. Preadators, prey, parasite, and host: God purposefully designed them all. 50:11-12

    148. According to the psalmist, snails melt. But they don't, of course, they simply leave a slimy trail as they move along. 58:8

      "The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God." 68:8

    149. "I was pricked in my reins."
      ("Reins" means kidneys in the Bible.) 73:21

    150. God is so strong that he can break the head of dragons and of leviathan. 74:13-14

    151. "Thou has set all the borders of the earth"
      A spherical earth has no borders. 74:17

    152. God holds the earth up with pillars. 75:3

    153. "The earth trembled and shook."
      Thunder, lightning, and earthquakes are the voice of God. 77:18

    154. Another reference to "the foundations of the earth", implying that the earth is fixed and does not move. 82:5

    155. "I will make mention of Rahab"
      Rahab is a sea-demon or dragon from ancient Jewish folklore. 87:4

    156. "Thou hast broken Rahab [the sea monster] in pieces." 89:10

    157. "The world also is established, that it cannot be moved." 93:1

    158. "The world also shall be established that it shall not be moved." 96:10

    159. "The Lord ... who healeth all thy diseases." God heals all diseases. Medical science is unnecessary. 103:2-3

    160. "God ... who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain" (The earth is stationary and does not orbit the sun.) 104:5

    161. "The waters stood above the mountains."
      Noah's flood covered the highest mountains, just like it says in Genesis 7:20. 104:6-7 "The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God."
      God gives the lions their meat. The cruelty and brutality of nature are all part of God's plan.

    162. "In wisdom hast thou made them all."104:24

    163. God is offended by those who make things with their hands or invent things with their minds. 106:39

    164. "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works." Then why do nearly all animals die painful deaths from starvation, predation, or disease long before they reach adulthood? 145:9

    165. God "satisfiest the desire of every living thing." But in nature few needs are met and few desires are satisfied. Life is short, hard, cruel, and painful for nearly every living thing. 145:17

    166. "He calleth them all by their names."
      God knows how many stars there are and knows them all by name. That's pretty impressive since there are 100 billion or so gallaxies, each containing about 100 billion stars. 147:7

    167. "Praise him in the firmament of his power." 150:1

      Proverbs

    168. "Lean not unto thine own understanding." Don't try to understand things; just accept whatever the bible and your religious leaders tell you. 3:5

    169. "As he thinketh in his heart"
      In the Bible, people think with their hearts not with their heads. 23:7

    170. "Yea, my reins shall rejoice."
      ("Reins" is the Bible's word for kidneys.) 23:16

      Ecclesiastes

    171. "The sun also ariseth"
      Although this verse is interpreted figuratively today, it was taken literally by virtually all Christians until the Copernican revolution, and was used by the Church to condemn Galileo for teaching the heliocentric heresy. 1:5

    172. "The place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again."
      Good description of the water cycle. 1:7

    173. "He hath made every thing beautiful."
      Everything is beautiful in its own way. Parasitic worms, cancer cells, bubonic plague. You just have to look at it from God's eyes. 3:11

    174. "No man can find out the work that God maketh."
      Science is impossible. We can learn nothing at all about the natural world. 3:11

      Song of Solomon (None)

      Isaiah

    175. "When he ariseth to shake terribly the earth."
      (Earthquakes happen when God gets angry.) 2:19, 21

    176. "He has stretched forth his hand against them ... and the hills did tremble." 5:25

    177. "Neither doth his heart think so"
      In the Bible, people think with their hearts not their heads. 10:7

    178. "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb...." I wonder what will become of the spiders. Will they be more friendly toward flies? And will the parasitic wasps find another way to feed their larvae? Or will they continue to feed off the living bodies of caterpillars? 11:6, 65:25

    179. "And the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den." A cockatrice is a serpent, hatched from a cock's egg, that can kill with a glance. They are rare nowadays. 11:8

    180. God will gather up the people of Judea "from the four corners of the earth." In the Bible's view, the earth is flat with four corners. 11:12

    181. According to the Bible, the moon produces its own light and the earth does not move. 13:10

    182. When God gets really angry, he causes earthquakes. 13:13

    183. Dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there. 13:21-22

    184. Out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent." What ever happened to these fascinating biblical creatures? 14:29

    185. God will turn the earth upside down, knock it off of its foundations, and then shake and bake it until it "reels to and fro like a drunkard." 24:1, 18-20

    186. "The foundations of the earth do shake ... The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard."
      (Earthquakes are all a part of God's wondrous plan.) 24:18-20

    187. God will punish the leviathan ("that crooked serpent") with his own sword and will kill the sea dragon. 27:1

    188. Natural disasters (earthquakes, storms, fires, tsunamis) are caused by, and are a sign of, God's wrath. 29:7

    189. Among the many strange creatures mentioned in the Bible that no longer seem to exist is the "fiery flying serpent." 30:6

    190. "The light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold." Well, this is one prophecy that will never come true. Since the moon has no light of its own, but only reflects that of the sun, it could never shine like the sun. And the sun will not, at least not while there are humans to see it, shine 7 times as bright as it does now. 30:26

    191. "The host of heaven shall be dissolved ... and ... shall fall down."
      The stars will dissolve and fall from the sky. 34:4

    192. "And the unicorns shall come down with them." 34:7

    193. Dragons and satyrs may not seem real to you, but they did to the author of these verses. 34:13-14

    194. God makes the sun move backwards 10 degrees. Now that's a neat trick! 38:8

    195. The earth is a flat disc that God looks down upon from his throne in heaven. 40:22

    196. Dragons and owls will thank God for irrigation. 43:20

    197. "My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure."
      Unlike the god of the process theologians, the God of Isaiah is in full control of his creation; he has pre-ordained everything. 46:10-11

    198. God cut Rahab (the sea monster) to pieces, wounded the dragon, and dried up the sea. 51:9-10

    199. Bad people hatch poisonous cockatrice eggs. Whoever eats the eggs will die, and when the eggs are crushed a viper hatches out of them. 59:5

    200. "Neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee." Of course the moon doesn't give off light, but only reflects the light from the sun. 60:19

    201. Immortal worms: "Their worm shall not die" 66:24

      Jeremiah

    202. Droughts are punishments from God. 3:3

    203. "I will send serpents, cockatrices among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you." A cockatrice is a serpent, hatched from a cock's egg, that can kill with a glance. They are rare nowadays. 8:17

    204. When God gets angry, the earth trembles. (That's what causes earthquakes.) 10:10

    205. "O LORD of hosts ... that triest the reins and the heart"
      Jesus will search your kidneys11:20

    206. The wild asses "snuffed up the wind like dragons." 14:6

    207. "I try the reins."
      Jesus will search your kidneys17:10

    208. "O LORD of hosts, that ... seest the reins."
      Jesus will search your kidneys20:12

    209. The earth is set on foundations and does not move. 31:37

      Lamentations

    210. Ostriches are not cruel and inattentive parents, as this verse implies. They are, in fact, careful and attentive parents. The male scoops out a hollow for the eggs, which are incubated by the female during the day and the male at night. After the eggs are hatched, they are cared for by the mother for over a month, at which time the chicks can keep up with running adults. 4:3

      Ezekiel

    211. "The firmament ... the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above." 1:22

    212. The world is flat and has four corners. 7:2

    213. The firmament is over the heads of the cherubim. 10:1

    214. God "will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light." To Ezekiel, the sun is just a little light that can be covered with a cloud, and the moon produces its own light. 32:7

    215. God will get so darned angry that his fury will come up in his face so that even the fish, birds, beasts, and bugs will shake when they see him. God will throw a tantrum, toppling every wall and mountain. 38:18-20

      Daniel

    216. The third year of the reign of Jehoiakim would be 606 BCE, at which time Nebuchadnezzar was not yet king of Babylon. It was 597 BCE that Nebuchadnezzar invaded Jerusalem for the first time (without actually destroying it). By that time Jehohiakim was dead and his son, Jehoiachin, was ruling. 1:1

    217. The stone became "a great mountain" that "filled the whole earth." This could only be possible on a flat, disc-shaped earth. 2:35

    218. Daniel's tree is tall enough to be seen from "the end of all the earth." Only on a flat earth would this be possible. 4:10-11, 20

    219. "Belshazzar the king"
      Apparently, the author of Daniel knew of only two Babylonian kings during the period of the exile: Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar, who he wrongly thought was the son of Nebuchadnezzar. But Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 BCE and was succeeded by his son, Awil-Marduk (referred to in the bible as "Evilmerodach" [see 2 Kg.25:27 and Jer.52:31]). In 560 BCE, Amel-Marduk was assassinated by his brother-in-law, Nergal-shar-usur. The next and last king of Babylon was Nabonidus who reigned from 556 to 539, when Babylon was conquered by Cyrus. It was Nabonidus, and not Belshazzar, who was the last of the Babylonian kings. Belshazzar was a the son and viceroy of Nabonidus. But he was not a king, and was not the son (or any other relation) of Nebuchadnezzar. 5:1-2,11,18,22

    220. Darius the Median is a fictitious character whom the author perhaps confused with Darius I of Persia, who came to the throne in 521 BCE, 17 years after the fall of Babylon. The author of Daniel incorrectly makes him the successor of Belshazzar instead of Cyrus. 5:31

    221. To Daniel, the stars are small objects that can fall from the sky and then be "stamped upon." 8:10

    222. "They ... shall shine as the brightness of the firmament." 12:3

      Hosea (None)

      Joel

    223. On "the day of the Lord" there will be earthquakes, the sun and the moon will be dark, and the stars will no longer shine. 2:10

    224. "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood." These "signs" were a lot more impressive before the causes of solar and lunar eclipses were understood. 2:31

    225. The Lord will roar and the heavens and earth will shake. 3:16

      Amos

    226. God destroyed the Amorites who were a race of giants as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks. 2:9

    227. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 2:10

    228. "Shall not the land tremble for this?"
      (Earthquakes are a punishment from God.) 8:8

    229. God will "slay the last of them with the sword." Any that try to escape by diving to the bottom of the sea will be bitten, at God's command, by a sea-serpent. 9:1-4

      Obadiah (None)

      Jonah

    230. God makes "a great fish" to swallow Jonah. And Jonah stayed in the fish's belly for three days and three nights. 1:17

    231. "Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey." That would make it about 60 miles in diameter -- larger than Los Angeles! 3:3

      Micah

    232. "The mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft ... and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley."
      (Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are caused by God's anger.) 1:4-6

    233. The earth is set upon strong foundations and therefore does not move. 6:2

      Nahum

    234. "The clouds are the dust of his feet." 1:3

    235. Tornadoes, earthquakes, and fires are caused by God and are signs of his anger. 1:5

      Habakkuk

    236. The Chaldeans' horses were faster than leopards and more fierce than wolves. 1:8

    237. God measured the earth, scattered mountains, and made the hills bow down. 3:6

    238. "The sun and moon stood still in their habitation." This verse apparently refers to Joshua 10:12-13, where God makes the sun stand still. 3:11

      Zephaniah (None)

      Haggai

    239. In "a little while" God "will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land." 2:6

    240. "I will shake the heavens and the earth." 2:21

      Zechariah

    241. On the day of the Lord, the mount of Olives will be split in two and half the mountain will be removed. 4:4

      Malachi (None)

      Matthew

    242. When was Jesus born?2:1

    243. "The star ... went before them."
      If the star "went before them," leading them to Bethlehem, then it couldn't have been a star or any other astronomical object or event. But Matthew couldn't have known that. Everyone at the time thought that stars were just little points of light a short distance above the earth. It'd be no problem to have one hover above a particular place for a while. 2:9

    244. Herod kills all boys in and around Bethlehem that are two years old and under. Such a massacre would certainly have been noted by contemporary historians. Yet not even Josephus, who documented Herod's life in detail, mentioned this event. 2:16

    245. The devil kidnaps Jesus and takes him up to the top of the temple, and then to the top of "an exceedingly high mountain," high enough to see "all the kingdoms of the world." I guess the earth was flat in those days. 4:8

    246. "Behold the fowls of the air...." Jesus says that God feeds them. But, if so, he does one hell of a lousy job at it. Most birds die before leaving the nest, and the few who manage to fly soon die painful deaths of starvation, predation, or disease. If God is caring for them, pray that he stays away from you. 6:26

    247. Speaking of the birds, Jesus asks: "Are ye not much better than they?" This is meant as a rhetorical question, but the answer is far from obvious to me. I guess to Jesus, though, birds are not worth much compared to humans. So you can do whatever the hell you want with (and to) them. 6:26

    248. "Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?"
      In the Bible, people think with their hearts not their heads. 9:4

    249. "Thy faith hath made thee whole."
      If you have enough faith, you will never get sick.
      (Illness is caused by sin and lack of faith. Medical science is unnecessary.) 9:22

    250. According to Matthew, people who cannot speak are possessed by the devil. 9:32-33

    251. Jesus gives his disciples "power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness." 10:1

    252. Jesus tells his disciples to perform all the usual tricks: "heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, and cast out devils." 10:8

    253. God is involved in the death of every sparrow. He sees to it that they each die painful deaths of starvation, predation, or disease. But don't worry. God will do the same for you. (He thinks that humans are worth much more than sparrows.) 10:29. 31

    254. Jesus casts out a devil from a man who was blind and dumb. (Thos we are unable to see or hear are possessed by devils.) 12:22

    255. "An enemy hath done this."
      Some Christians believe that the natural evil in the world (predators, parasites, pain, death) is due to Satan, not God. 13:28

    256. Jesus is incorrect when he says that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. And since there are no trees in the mustard family, mustard seeds do not grow into "the greatest of all trees." 13:31-32

    257. Jesus cures an epileptic "lunatic" by "rebuking the devil." (Epilepsy is caused by devils.) 17:15-18

    258. "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? ... Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes."
      The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes. 24:3, 7

    259. "The moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven." Apparently, Jesus believed that the moon produces its own light, and that the stars are lights held in place by a firmament only a few miles above our heads. 24:29

    260. Jesus believed that Noah's flood actually happened. 24:37

    261. When Jesus was crucified, there was three hours of complete darkness "over all the land." And when he died, there was a great earthquake with many corpses walking the streets of Jerusalem. It is strange that there is no record of any of these extraordinary events outside of the gospels. 27:45, 51-53

    262. "And behold, there was a great earthquake." 28:2

      Mark

    263. Jesus is incorrect when he says that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. (The smallest seeds are found among the tropical, epiphytic orchids.) 4:31

    264. "A certain woman ... had an issue of blood twelve years...."
      So this is where all those phony faith-healing stories came from! Notice that the doctors made her condition worse, but she was instantly cured by faith. 5:25-29

    265. "Thy faith hath made thee whole." If you have enough faith, you will never get sick. (Illness is caused by sin and lack of faith. Medical science is unnecessary.) 5:34

    266. "And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them." 6:13

    267. Jesus heals a boy with "a dumb spirit" by saying, "Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him and enter no more into him." (Sounds like a script from Monty Python, doesn't it?) But how could a deaf spirit hear the words spoken to it? And how could a dumb spirit cry out? 9:17, 25-26

    268. Immortal worms: "Where their worm dieth not" 9:44, 46, 48

    269. "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
      Jesus believed that sex and Adam and Eve were created "from the beginning." But the universe is about 13.6 billion years old, the earth 4.6 billion, sex a billion years or so, and humans (depending on how you define "human") for a couple million years. 10:6

    270. "The beginnings of sorrows."
      The end of the world will be marked with wars, famines, and earthquakes. (Thank God for that helpful hint!) 13:8

    271. "In those days ... the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall." Of course this is nonsense. The billions of stars will never fall to earth and the moon does not produce its own light. 13:24-25

    272. When Jesus was crucified, there was three hours of complete darkness "over the whole land." It is strange that there is no record of this extraordinary event outside of the gospels. 15:33

      Luke

    273. When was Jesus born?2:1

    274. The devil takes Jesus to the top of a mountain and shows him "all the kingdoms of the world." I guess the world was flat in those days. 4:5

    275. "Thy faith hath made thee whole."
      If you have enough faith, you will never get sick.
      (Illness is caused by sin and lack of faith. Medical science is unnecessary.) 8:48

    276. Epilepsy is caused by devils. 9:39

    277. People who cannot speak are possessed with devils. 11:14

    278. Illnesses are caused by Satan. 13:11-16

    279. Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. 17:26-27

    280. Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history. 17:29-32

    281. "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars." 21:25

    282. When Jesus was crucified, there was three hours of complete darkness "over all the earth." It is strange that there is no record of this extraordinary event outside of the gospels. 23:44-45

      John

    283. "These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing." But no such site is known in history. Some translations (ASV, NAB, NIV, RSV, NRSV) rename Bethabara as Bethany, but Bethany is a suburb of Jerusalem and, therefore, not "beyond the Jordan." 1:28

    284. "The wind bloeth where it listeth."
      Jesus says that no one knows which way the wind is blowing. But, of course, he was wrong about that. The direction and speed of the wind are easily measured. 3:8

    285. "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"
      Good question, Jesus! He was wrong about creation in Mk.10:6, wrong about the flood in Lk.17:26-27, and wrong about the smallest seed in Mt.13:31-32. So why would anyone believe him when he talks about heaven in Jn.3:16? 3:12

    286. Whoever enters a pool after it is stirred up by angels will be cured of "whatsoever disease he had." 5:4

    287. Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14

    288. The disciples ask Jesus about the cause of a man's blindness. Was it because he or his parents sinned? Jesus said neither had sinned. The man was born blind so that Jesus could show off his powers by curing him of his blindness. 9:1-3

    289. A blind man's sight is restored by washing in the pool of Siloam. 9:7

      Acts

    290. "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?"
      This verse was used by a Dominican friar to discourage the use of Galileo's telescope. (Notice the pun on Galileo's name in "men of Galilee".) 1:11

    291. "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood."
      It happens with every solar or lunar eclipse.2:20

    292. The prophets have spoken "since the world began," which means that humans have been around since the creation of the world. But humans are recent arrivals on an ancient earth. There were no prophets when the earth formed 4.6 billion years ago. 3:21

    293. "When they had prayed, the place was shaken." 4:31

    294. The sick were healed just by touching the shadow of Peter. 5:15-16

    295. It took the Israelites 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days. 7:36, 13:18

    296. Sick people are oppressed by the devil. 10:38

    297. Sick people were cured by touching the handkerchief or apron of Paul. And the evil spirits when out of them." 19:12

    298. Paul is bitten by a poisonous snake and yet lives. The "barbarians" who were shipwrecked with him thought he must be a murderer since he was bitten; but then they changed their minds and thought him to be a god since he didn't die. (The snake story is especially interesting since there are no poisonous snakes on Malta, and there is no evidence of their existence in the past.) 28:3-8

    299. By praying and touching the sick people of Malta, Paul cures them of their diseases. 28:8-9

      Romans

    300. The existence and nature of God are self-evident. 1:20

    301. The Religious Right often uses Romans 1:21-25 to condemn environmentalists. 1:21-25

    302. Paul claims that before Adam sinned death did not exist. But, of course, death didn't enter the world a few thousand years ago because of Adam's sin. Death has been a part of life since life first arose (on this planet, at least) a few billion years ago. 5:12

    303. "The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."
      Some Christians use this verse to show that we live in a sin cursed world. (But others disagree.) 8:22

    304. Paul says that everyone, even in his day, had the gospel preached to them. Even the Native Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders? 10:18

      1 Corinthians

    305. "In Adam all die."
      Nothing died before Adam sinned. 15:22

    306. Paul shows his ignorance (and God's) of biology by saying that only dead seeds will germinate. Actually, a seed must be alive to germinate. 15:36

    307. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another of beasts."
      This verse is used by Creationists to argue against both evolution and any attempt to create "human-animal hybrids" or "chimeras." 15:39

    308. "The first man Adam"
      Young Earth Creationists use this verse to support a literal reading of Genesis. "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 15:45

    309. "And afterward that which is spiritual."
      Asa Gray, the foremost American botanist in the 19th century and close friend of Charles Darwin, used this verse to support the idea that the Bible is not inconsistent with human evolution. 15:46

      2 Corinthians

    310. "As the serpent beguiled Eve"
      Young Earth Creationists use this verse to show that Paul believed the creation story in Gen.3:1-6. 11:3

      Galatians (None)

      Ephesians

    311. Satan is the "prince of the power of the air." Until modern times Christians believed that Satan was responsible for storms and droughts. 2:2

      Philippians (None)

      Colossians

    312. "For by him were all things created.... All things were created by him, and for him.... And by him all things consist." Including guinea worms? 1:16-17

      1 Thessalonians (None)

      2 Thessalonians (None)

      1 Timothy

    313. "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." Young Earth Creationists use this verse to show that Paul believed the creation story in Gen.2:18-22. 2:13

    314. "Every creature of God is good."
      Even guinea worms?

    315. Avoid science, especially that which disagrees with Paul ("science falsely so called"). Other versions translate this phrase as "false knowledge", which may be more correct. However many fundamentalist Christians still use this verse ("science falsely so called") to justify their rejection of any idea, scientific or otherwise, they believe contradicts the bible. 6:20

      2 Timothy (None)

      Titus (None)

      Philemon (None)

      Hebrews

    316. God set the earth on a foundation; therefore, it does not move. 1:10

    317. "Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying ... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
      When God speaks the are earthquakes (and heavenquakes). 12:26

      James

    318. James says that, even in his day, all beasts, birds, serpents, and sea creatures had been tamed by humans. 3:7

    319. If you are sick, rely on the power of prayer. It works every time. 5:14-15

    320. By praying, Elias was able to keep it from raining for three and a half years. 5:17

      1 Peter (None)

      2 Peter

    321. Those who disbelieve in the Bible's creation and flood stories are "willingly ignorant." 3:5

    322. "God ... spared not the old world, but saved Noah."
      Young Earth Creationists use this verse to show that the New Testament authors believed in the flood story. (So you should too.) 2:4-5

      1 John (None)

      2 John (None)

      3 John (None)

      Jude (None)

      Revelation

    323. "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." This could only happen on a flat earth. 1:7

    324. Jesus holds seven stars in his hand. Of course, it is possible that this is metaphorical. Perhaps. But it is clear from other verses (6:13, 8:10, 12:4) that John thought of stars as being small, perhaps even small enough for Jesus to hold in his hand. 1:16

    325. "I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts."
      Jesus will search your kidneys2:23

    326. "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11

    327. The sixth seal is opened and there is a great earthquake, the sun becomes black, and the moon red, the stars fall from heaven, and mountains and islands move around. 6:12-14

    328. "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth...." To John, the stars are just little lights a few miles away that can easily fall to the earth. 6:13

    329. John "saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth." Well, I guess that settles it: the earth is flat and square-shaped, or at least quadrilateral in shape. 7:1

    330. An angel threw the censer down to earth, causing thunder, lightning, and earthquakes. 8:5

    331. "And there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters." In the bible, stars are just little lights that can fall to the ground from the sky. 8:10

    332. The fourth trumpet smites one third of the sun, moon, and stars. 8:12

    333. "I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth." 9:1

    334. God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6

    335. "The great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified"
      What city is referred to here? Is Jerusalem spiritually called Sodom and Egypt? Rome, maybe? Salt Lake City? 11:8

    336. "There were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." 11:19

    337. The dragon's tail smacks down to earth one third of the stars. To the author of Revelation, the stars are just little lights that can fall to the ground from the sky. 12:4

    338. The seventh vial: voices, thunders, lightnings, earthquakes, hail. 16:17-21

    339. "And there was no more sea."
      For an old sailor like me, this verse, if it were true, would be one of the saddest verses in the bible. 21:1
  • oompa
    oompa

    must be a TMI thing homer...love ya man.......oompa

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    Are you implying that the ancient holy books don't have divine origin?You will be burned at the stake...

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Your probably right AWG, but it will be an imaginary stake in the history of mythology

  • glenster
    glenster

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo#Natural_knowledge_and_biblical_interpretation

    The ideal to me is to see it as a difference in whether or not someone wants
    a faith commitment in a possible God beyond the see-able touchable world. Some-
    one can try to persuade someone else to see it their way, and if they go for it
    or not, I hope they're still friends afterward.

    I read an article on the Internet recently saying more people in school are
    relaxed about there being those differences. I think that's healthy.

    I like people of various belief and non-belief outlooks, and I'd feel like a
    real creep if someone thought I didn't like them about those things. Some
    people in any kind of group (nationality, race, income level, belief or non-be-
    lief outlooks, etc.) get 'centric and try to rationalize they're the good
    people and others are crazy and stupid and cause all the trouble in the world.
    It's when people get 'centric about those things--in the belief matters, like a
    Rutherford or a Rutherford for the non-believers like a Stalin--that the divi-
    sions and trouble and fights start.

    For the popular Christian example, Jesus didn't teach to find people who
    believe differently and beat them up. That kind of trouble started when
    politicians got 'centric about it in contradiction to the source material. (I
    Cor.10:31-11:1) Some say more people have died over God than anything else.
    But I'd say more people have died when they get 'centric about it or whatever
    else. It's rationalizing about being 'centric taken to the extent of fighting
    the others that causes the trouble.

    I can see the case intended for not wanting to believe in the first post. But
    it's overdone, too much of a stacked deck meant to make a flame war, mainly
    verses that come up when a liberal vs. a conservative interpretation are delib-
    erated on, from Gen. to Rev., given as though they established the non-belief
    choice. You want to guard against being too 'centric when contesting something
    when what's mainly to be faulted ironically is when people try to rationalize
    the need to be 'centric about it or whatever.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Glenster, since the many established religions in the world are set on growth of their own agreed ideologies and they have developed much of their social behaviors are

    around very old ideals and human knowledge, doesn't that have the tensity to slow down the progress and potential of what humanity can do to make life better for ourselves

    and future generations ?

    The fact is that for many centuries spiritualism of different varieties was considered the only knowledge and cultures lived from those beliefs, with obviously not very good results

    as history has shown . Now man is striving to reveal and understand the mysteries of the world we live in , because if we don't we have found that the consequences have shown

    to be dire and indeed costly toward us.

    Religions like the JWS for example want man to fold up his hands and wait for the spirits to make living conditions on earth better, for man in their eyes to attempt to is just being

    carelessly fruitless and redundant..

    Stop and think for second what the world would be like if the JWS faith covered the entire world and they were in control of the greater population of humanity !

    That vision isn't very pretty is it. Most religions are based off of ignorance and fear and manifests its power as such, so in light of that can it really be healthy ?

  • inkling
    inkling
    The ideal to me is to see it as a difference in whether or not someone wants
    a faith commitment in a possible God beyond the see-able touchable world.

    I think I might be missing the appropriate "faith commitment" needed to understand that sentence.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    True inkling but putting faith into ignorance and then supporting it really beneficial for all concerned ?

  • Diest
    Diest

    Bump. I really like this thread. For some reason I thought the Gen account was more accurate than it is... On the first day god creates light and dark, yet no sun till day 4.

  • Knowsnothing
    Knowsnothing

    @Diest, I by no means am defending the account but, I've heard that it is about perspective. From a person's perspective here on earth, the sky wouldn't have cleared up from all the volcanic gases, therefore, the sun wasn't visible.

    At least, that is the explanation I have heard.

    The hard ones for me to swallow are the Flood and the Tower of Babel.

    The Flood is logistically impossible and for the Tower of Babel, it seems like God acts a bit paranoid (there is nothing the sons of man cannot accomplish), not to mention unnecessarily interferes in human affairs (the whole universal sovereignty issue...)

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