Should this kid be allowed to go home for Thanksgiving?

by purplesofa 20 Replies latest social current

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I know this eight year old did not kill his classmates and we don't know the motive.......This Jonesboro shooting came to mind, not because of the shootings in as much as the boys, after being released, were still a danger to society. I thought too, after all this time, they are not sure what the motive for the shootings were.

    Jonesboro massacre

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    The Jonesboro school shooting was an incident of a school shooting that occurred on March 24, 1998, in Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States. A total of 5 people were killed; four female students and a teacher, and 10 were injured; nine students and one teacher. The perpetrators were two students, 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson, and 11-year-old Andrew Golden, who were shooting in an ambush style from the woods in army-styled camouflaged clothes.

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    [edit] Details of the shooting

    On the morning of the massacre, the boys, both dressed in army-style camouflaged clothes, stole a van from Johnson's home and loaded it with camping supplies, food, and seven weapons (two semi-automatic rifles, one bolt-action rifle and four handguns) which had been stolen from Golden's grandfather's house.

    When the boys got to Westside Middle School, Golden set off the fire alarm while Johnson took the weapons to the woods near the school. Golden then ran back to the woods where Johnson had taken the weapons. When children and teachers came out of the school, the two boys opened fire. 13 students and two teachers were hit; Five of the victims died. Afterwards, Golden and Johnson attempted to run back to the van and escape, but were apprehended by police. They evidently planned to run away, as they had food, sleeping bags and survival gear in their van.

    [edit] Victims killed
    • Natalie Brooks (11)
    • Paige Ann Herring (12)
    • Stephanie Johnson (12) (no relation to Mitchell Johnson)
    • Brittheny R. Varner (11)
    • Shannon Wright (32) (teacher)

    To this day, the details of their motives for these killings are not known. A possible motive is that a girl in the sixth grade, had broken up with Mitchell Johnson not long before.

    [edit] Trial and imprisonment

    The two youths were among the youngest ever charged with murder in American history. The Jonesboro prosecutor later stated that were it not for their ages, he would have sought a death sentence for the pair. In August 1998 they were both sentenced to confinement until they reached the age of 18, the maximum sentence available under Arkansas law. They would have served until only age 18 had federal authorities not added additional confinement for weapons charges. (Both were confined until age 21.) Judge Ralph Wilson commented, "this is a case where the punishment will not fit the crime." This case led to a wide public outcry for tougher sentencing laws pertaining to juvenile offenders. Since then, the laws regarding young offenders have changed in Arkansas. Had Johnson and Golden committed their crimes several years later, they could have both been charged as adults and imprisoned for life.

    Johnson was released from custody on August 11, 2005. Golden was released on May 25, 2007. Many members of the Jonesboro community have since expressed outrage, citing the facts that the killers will not be placed under any supervision and will be able to legally purchase firearms.

    [edit] Other legal issues

    Mitchell Johnson was arrested on January 1, 2007 while riding in a van with his roommate, Justin Trammell, who was convicted in Benton County, Arkansas, for killing his father in 1999 with a crossbow. Trammell was the first youth in Arkansas convicted under the Extended Juvenile Adjudication Act. The law allows for combined juvenile and adult sentences upon conviction of those younger than 18. It was passed in response to the Jonesboro school shootings. Johnson was arrested on misdemeanor charges of possessing a controlled substance (marijuana) and carrying a prohibited weapon (a loaded 9mm pistol). [ 1 ]

    Whatever the motive of this eight year old, he still did just kill two people. I don't begrudge him time with his mother, but at a holiday gathering? I do hope the judge knows what he is doing for all involved.

    purps

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    he still did just kill two people.

    They've not had a trial yet. He said he did it. I say Im the easter bunny. That dont make it true. The Jonesbourgh kids were 1/4 to 1/3 older than this kid. Do you remember being 8? I do. The other particulars of the case are bothersome. Add to the fact that his admission was made public? Odd... I dunno. Im just a country lawyer .. but.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    hey Ippy,

    It does seem very odd that he could have managed to kill both people. Seems when one was shot the other could have defended themself. But I know nothing about guns, that gun looks like you have to cock it to shoot?

    purps

    edited to add: I see that the rifle does not need to be cocked.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    I say he should be allowed to go home for dinner.

    Provided he gets the Kramer treatment aka "What's for dinner?":

    http://www.bigkspub.com/images/KramerTurkey.jpg

    Seriously, though, that is one messed up story.

    The months ahead will reveal the reality.

    I agree that it doesn't sound plausible, there's more to this story than the current sound bite reveals.

    BA

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    If things are as they seem, I think it's completely irresponsible to let this kid out of custody. He seems to just be wired wrong.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    "Seems when one was shot the other could have defended themself."

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    How does one defend oneself from a rifle if one is caught unaware?

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate
    How does one defend oneself from a rifle if one is caught unaware?

    All I can say upon reading the story, bereft of information, as it stands is:

    This 8 year old kid would have had to be a crack marksman to KILL two others with a .22 weapon.

    BA- Unconvinced.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    How does one defend oneself from a rifle if one is caught unaware?

    True, I don't know,

    How can that kid, if he is covering up, calmly say he killed someone , well not just anyone, his father. Hell, if I just saw two dead people at any age of my life, I would be a basketcase.

    At eight, he has already done well to cut off his emotions. That's what is disturbing about him being out and home.

    purps

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    "All I can say upon reading the story, bereft of information, as it stands is:"

    .

    but why comment on things you are bereft of information about? How is that helpful?

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate
    but why comment on things you are bereft of information about? How is that helpful?

    Amen. Such is the problem with so little information.

    You commented, I commented, others did too.

    In light of how little is really known in this case, it is likely this thread is an exercise in futility.

    BA- Que sera, sera.

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