Sin: A Desire for Knowledge?

by cameo-d 13 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  cameo-d

  Eve desired wisdom and knowledge. The apple was symbolic of wisdom and knowledge.

  Although it is sometimes said that the sin was "disobedience", why would the Creator not wish for his creation to grow and mature? Is it not natural to grow and to desire to know more and to advance? Why would the Creator want to withold this? Why would he give man "free choice" and then punish the entire human race for all eternity for using it?

  Could it be that humans were intended for a purpose that required only manual labor and thus were to be kept "dumbed down"? Isn't this what the WT teaches by its actions? Too much knowledge is a 'dangerous thing'?

  What was this 'god' so afraid of...that Eve might find out?

  With Adam and Eve attaining some sort of forbidden knowledge...did it endanger this 'god's' plan for mankind? What kind of plan could it have been if knowledge was to be forbidden? Were they kicked out of the Garden (DF'd) to prevent the contamination of others who were there? (Don't we assume that they were the only ones? There is nothing that really says this is so. It could have been a small civilization.)

  Does this action of partaking of the apple (information) of good and evil mean that the desire for knowledge and the action to educate oneself is a sin?
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  StAnn

  Adam and Eve's sin was to desire to be equal to God, not respecting their rightful place under God's rule. Seeking knowledge is fine. It's the desire for prominence and to be on a par with God that caused them their problems.

  StAnn
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  Tyrone van leyen

  Yes Eve in the " STORY" had curiosity and to be denied knowledge was just a test.

  Obedience would have meant that Eve could be trusted with knowlege to do goood things. Disobedience would have meant a freewill to use knowledge in a way that lacks wisdom and could be used in a harmful and perhaps even selfish or evil manner.

  Knowing the difference between good and bad, before using knowledge was seen as essential in God's eyes.

  My only question is why didn't God just tell her the difference. That seems more like fair play. Setting it up as he did and allowing the serpent to fool her was entrapment.

  Yes she had free choice, but how about informing someone, instead of allowing them to be fooled before they make a decision. The whole crux of God's condemnation was evil because God was informed.

  If you allow someone to be fooled and then condem them, and their offspring, then God can suck my ass.

  If God is the beginning and the end he already knew the outcome, which makes everyone a pawn in his game!
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  cameo-d

  Adam and Eve's sin was to desire to be equal to God, not respecting their rightful place under God's rule. Seeking knowledge is fine. It's the desire for prominence and to be on a par with God that caused them their problems.

  Is that the WT interpretation of it?

  Setting it up as he did and allowing the serpent to fool her was entrapment.

  The whole crux of God's condemnation was evil because God was informed.

  If you allow someone to be fooled and then condem them, and their offspring

  That's more like what I get out of it, Tyronne.

  Were they kicked out of the Garden (DF'd) to prevent the contamination of others who were there? (Don't we assume that they were the only ones? There is nothing that really says this is so. It could have been a small civilization.)
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  darth frosty

  THE STORY OF ADAM AND EVE IS A LIE ON GODS PART. oops hit the cap lock

  But for real if you look at the whole story the serpent is not the one who lied it was god. Just read the entire chapter 3 especiall vs 22.
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  Tyrone van leyen

  Ha. it reminds of that song Empty Garden by Elton John.

  First, I detect a spirit of meaness. It like an all knowing, all loving deity has just got to get back at these two peices of clay he shaped into humans. Killing them is not enough. He has to make their life difficult first and then make sure they have kids so the fun can continue.

  Imagine two angels with swords needed to protect an empty garden with two semi naked humans on the entire planet. That's better security than most banks have. Was it to protect them from eating from the tree of life? Well I got a better idea, why don't you just remove the tree and let them live in peace until they die since it was you, that let them get fooled them in the fisrt place.

  Imagine if you have a kid and they are made by you in a sense. It is utter cruelty.

  I have also thought as you, that this is a cock and bull story, about them being the family of the human race. How in the hell would anyone know. I have always felt that there was always a possibiblty that there were other humans on the earth and the story of Adam and eve is just where they decided it to begin. God could play games like that if he wished. Perhaps God let evolution continue from cromagnon down to this pair, which is when he decided to play his games with these particular illiterates.
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  cameo-d

  How do you know that these two beings are not the same?

  Maybe snake was a cross dresser.
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  cameo-d

  Could it be that humans were intended for a purpose that required only manual labor and thus were to be kept "dumbed down"? Isn't this what the WT teaches by its actions? Too much knowledge is a 'dangerous thing'?

  Do you think we were created to be dumb slaves as the stories from Sumerian creation reportedly indicate?
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  WTWizard

  I think God wanted us to be nothing but game pieces in His game of Suffering and Evil. Satan, on the other hand, wanted man to be independent thinkers and to do the work of thinking for themselves. Which would have been to man's advantage--true, it is extra work to think, but the alternative is to live under that Almighty Lowlife Scumbag God.
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  StAnn

  Adam and Eve's sin was to desire to be equal to God, not respecting their rightful place under God's rule. Seeking knowledge is fine. It's the desire for prominence and to be on a par with God that caused them their problems.

  Is that the WT interpretation of it?

  No. It was in a footnote in my New American Bible. I'll try to find it today so I can give you the scripture and verse and footnote.

  StAnn