A knock-down argument against the WBTS interpretation of Matt 24:45-47!

by yadda yadda 2 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    The WBTS teaches that in 1919 Jesus inspected all of Christendom and appointed the WBTS "over all his belongings" in fulfillment of Matthew 24:45-47: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."

    But when does Jesus arrive? Matthew 25: 31-33: "When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left?"

    (Correct me if I'm wrong but the same Greek word (tenses aside) for arrives/ing is used in both passages of scripture.)

    So when is Matthew 25:31-33 fulfilled? The Society correctly teaches that Jesus arrives to sit on his glorious throne in the future!! (although they incorrectly qualify this throne as only a throne of 'judgment', not a throne of Kingship as King of God's Kingdom). This was 'new light' in 1995.

    Yet they continue to teach that the 'arriving' in Matt 24:45-47 occurred in 1919!!!

    You can use this with JW family and friends as a near knock-down argument against the Society's assertion that Jesus appointed them "over all his belongings" in 1919. It's a shameless contradiction and abuse of scripture by the WBTS to maintain their positions of absolute authority over JW's.

    yadda

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    You can also point out that Jesus said in Luke 12 that he'd be looking for people who were waiting for him, ready to open the door at his return and that they'd be regarded as faithful and discreet. How could the WTS open the door to his knock in 1914 when they believed he'd actually returned in 1874?

  • DoomVoyager
    DoomVoyager

    There are multiple arrivals, visible, invisible, types, the great antitype, besides Jesus doesn't matter anyways, we look to the FDSC for our salvation, blah blah blah blah. Go away apostate scum!

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    According to the talk buy Losch (which Crooklyn Broth hell is now trying to suppress)

    Jesus "comes" seven times - more than your average porn star.

    HB

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    In my spoof article on getting rid of the 1914 date, I pointed out that this is the getout clause that I believe the Witchtower will use.

    The "Proclaimers Book" has already stated that the "Bible Students came to discern that Christ did NOT return (even invisibly) in 1914."

    The ground is already prepared.

    HB

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    What page in the Proclaimer's Book is that info on?

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    Colton, - jv chap. 10 p. 137 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth

    check out this thread - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/154993/1.ashx

    I was floored when I first read this statement. If I recall correctly the WTS shifts Jesus back to heaven. Jesus is present on earth in that his "attention" his drawn to the earth although he is actually residing in heaven as the enthroned King. What crock of shit.....

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    All one needs to do is read the parable in context.

    45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    The Society claims that the "coming" in this parable refers to a past event, Jesus "coming" into his "temple" in 1919. Notice v. 50, the refrain that the master of the servant within the parable "will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of." Now go back a few verses to the preceding parable:

    42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

    This is talking about the same thing, it makes the same point as the parable immediately following it, that the Son of Man will come at a day and hour when his servants do not expect him. Yet the Society misses this obvious parallel and regards this parable as referring to an altogether different "coming", one that still lies in the future. The passage of the discourse immediately preceding this again makes the same point:

    36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, [ f ] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

    Again, the same thing. The coming of the Son of Man is a sudden event like the Flood that will come without warning; we encounter the same theme here, that no one would know the day or hour when the coming occurs. The Society regards this as a future coming, not one that supposedly already occurred back in 1919. And what is the "coming of the Son of Man"? This event was already described earlier in the discourse:

    27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. 29 Immediately after the distress of those days, 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' [ c ] 30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    The coming is again sudden and visible to all, like lightning that lights up the sky. The Society presently regards the coming of the Son of Man as future, not a past "coming" back in 1914 or 1919 (this was the belief prior to 1995). So only with special pleading is the Society able to disassociate the parable of the faithful and wise servant (v. 45-51) from the whole preceding context and regard it as referring to a different coming altogether.

    BTW, the text uses the terms erkhomai "come" and parousia "coming, arriving" interchangeably, which used to be basis for the Society to claim that two different comings are meant in the discourse, with the parousia occurring back in 1914. It is worth pointing out however that parousia is not used in the parable of the faithful and wise servant; the word used in v. 46, 50 is the usual word for "come", the same word that occurs in v. 30, 38-44 (passages that the Society considers as referring to the future).

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d
    51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    According to this criteria it's obvious that he has not returned yet.

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    The Watchtower Bullsheet and Trash Society should read Leolaia's summary of the parable in context because it is the plain and simple TRUTH.

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