Pope Joke ? = 5 Years In Prison !

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  • Rabbit

    There was a very good reason the founding fathers in the US demanded "separation of church and state." I would have sworn Italians had "freedom of speech."

    Geezus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick...since the Pope hasn't 'forgiven' this lady's joke, I wonder what the Pope's Boss would do ?

    Further, if someone insults a Governing Body member (Pope's peers) in Italy do they go to prison, too ? Or, Mohammad ? The Dali Lama ?


    ABC News

    Five Years for a Joke About the Pope?

    Italian Actress Faces Possible Five-Year Jail Term for Off-Color Joke About Pope

    LONDON, Sept. 18, 2008 —

    A popular Italian actress is facing more than public scorn over some off-color comments she made about the Pope, as an Italian prosecutor has vowed to take her to court on charges that could put her in jail for up to five years.

    At a July demonstration in Rome organized against the government of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, comedian Sabina Guzzanti said, "Within 20 years the Pope will be where he ought to be -- in hell, tormented by great big poofter devils, and very active ones, not passive ones."

    Rome prosecutor Giovanni Ferrara is taking the actress to court, accusing her of offending the honor of the sacred and inviolable person of Pope Benedict XVI.

    Under Italian law, courts can sentence people to up to five years in prison for "offending the honor" of the Pope.

    Guzzanti's comment was apparently directed at the Vatican's global campaign against gay marriage, an attempt to reverse the spread of legislation in other parts of the world that allows gay couples to marry.

    "In this case the satire wasn't addressed against the religion but against the opinion of the pontiff against gay rights," Italian lawyer Marco Orlando told ABC News.

    But Orlando said that by venturing into the politics of gay marriage, the Vatican may have left itself open to satirical comments like Guzzanti's.

    "I believe that the very moment the Vatican decides to step in a political controversy and gives its opinion against a draft law meant to acknowledge the rights of a gay couple, it is exposed to the same satirical comments as any other public figure expressing the same political views. The satire in this case was meant to target a political opinion and not a religious view," Orlando said.

    Far from scared by the proceeding against her, Guzzanti wrote on her Web site, "I feel honoured for the charge raised against me... but before I start showing off could someone please check if I am the first one or if there have been similar cases before me? I am going to update my CV."

    On her blog, the popular Italian comedian and actress has encouraged fans to keep fighting for the freedom of speech and avoid being subdued by threats of lawsuit or other attacks.

    A History of Controversy

    Guzzanti is famous for her biting anti-establishment satire, and her No. 1 target has long been Berlusconi, whom the comedian, along with the majority of the Italian left wing, accuses of climbing the political ladder only to defend his own personal interests.

    In a past appearance on Italian TV, Guzzanti impersonated Berlusconi, saying, "I am not going to sign the agreement for the European arrest warrant. One thing is to bribe an Italian judge to falsify the ruling of a trial, another thing is to bribe a slew of European judges. It's too expensive, and would suffocate any business activity."

    And when a satirical TV program that she wrote for, the State TV, was censored in 2003, she struck back, presenting her side of the story in a documentary called "Viva Zapatero!," which was shown in cinemas all over Italy and won acclaim at the Venice and Sundance film festivals.

    Never, though, has she been threatened with a prison sentence.

    Catholics Offended by Pope Gay Reference

    In a country that is home to the Catholic Church and where the majority of the citizens are Catholic, the jokes against the Pope have offended Italians who find it hard to associate the Pope with sexual and, even more upsetting for some, homosexual activity.

    The organizers of the demonstration have distanced themselves from Guzzanti, and members of Berlusconi's coalition have shown support for the prosecutor.

    "Her crime is not having expressed her opinions, but having insulted the Pope. Insults are not opinions, and therefore Ms. Guzzanti must be punished," Michele Scandroglio, a regional coordinator of Berlusconi's Party Forza Italia, told ABC News.

    "Democracy is not a screen behind which you can hide to say and do whatever you want. We hope that the move of the judge should teach comedians to auto-regulate themselves and not go beyond the limits of good taste and common sense," said Angelo Marra, spokesperson for the Christian-Democrat Party.

    Although many don't approve of the way Guzzanti expressed her personal views about the Pope, others in Italy are skeptical about sending her to prison, limiting a fundamental right such as the freedom of speech.

    "It is possible to criticize the Vatican interference with Italian politics, but some comments are repulsive," said Italian newspaper editorialist Beppe Severgnini. "However, also repulsive comments should be free and should stay out of tribunals. We have to fight so that everybody can say the silliest things, above all in Italy where there is a growing feeling of intolerance that I really don't like."

    Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures

  • BurnTheShips

    Well, that is a frivolous prosecution.


  • Aculama

    Who's the pope anyway? Doesn't he put his dress on one leg at a time like all the rest of 'em?

  • Aculama
  • mkr32208

    The 'honor' of the pope? The leader of a bunch of homosexual deviant child molesters? Thats a f$#ing laugh riot...

  • NewYork44M
    "Within 20 years the Pope will be where he ought to be -- in hell, tormented by great big poofter devils, and very active ones, not passive ones."

    May be the crime was telling a joke that was not funny. People tell pope jokes because they are funny. Everyone loves a good pope joke. I could be just me, but this is not funny.

  • brofromzion

    That's a bunch of b.s. Is the Pope higher than God? I didn't think so. Even Jesus and the Apostles took the very servant job of preaching the gospel throughout the world. Then here's the Pope being look at more special than Jesus? Unbelievable.

  • undercover

    I guess it's a good thing Sinead O'Connor didn't tear up a photo of the pope on Italian TV...she'd still be in jail.

    (no jokes please...about that's where she belongs because of her singing...)

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