JW's seek special treatment, threaten move of summer convention site

by Gopher 11 Replies latest social current

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    JW leadership, over a difference of only $2000, looks likely to play hardball with the city of San Angelo and move their summer conventions 193 miles away to Lubbock, Texas.

    Does anyone from Texas have any insight as to what may be going on here?

    The innkeepers of San Angeleno are upset that they will probably lose business every July. The JW's are upset that the city of San Angelo will not continue to subsidize their event.

    The city only wants 10% of the normal rent. They want to treat JW's like other groups, and cap the discount at 90%. Why is the JW leadership being so stubborn? Can't they scrape up $2000? Or is this something they're being directed to do by WTS headquarters?

    http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/sep/16/religious-gathering-may-go-to-lubbock/

    Religious gathering may go to Lubbock

    By Paul A. Anthony (Contact)
    Tuesday, September 16, 2008

    A new city policy regulating discounts given to large conventions could lead to the loss of one of San Angelo's biggest events - although exactly why the Jehovah's Witnesses may be leaving the city remains in dispute.

    Throughout the spring and summer, the council has worked with the city's Civic Events Department to craft a more consistent policy for conventions and other events using city facilities, a shift from previous years when such policy was made usually on an informal, case-by-case basis.

    One caveat, however, has done away with the practice of renting for free the McNease Convention Center to a convention that brings in an overwhelming number of attendees - capping the rental discount at 90 percent.

    Paying 10 percent of the usual rental fee was too much for the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose annual July convention is the city's fourth-largest by economic impact, pouring $2.36 million into the city's coffers, according to the San Angelo Convention and Visitors Bureau.

    "This was done pretty much as a handshake deal," said Bob Banskter Sr., manager of the San Angelo Days Inn and Rodeway Inn, but, "Things have changed."

    A local Jehovah's Witnesses representative did not return a phone message left for comment Monday.

    The religious group told local hoteliers the city had taken a hard line on its new policy, refusing to provide the building for free, and as a result, the Witnesses convention would move to Lubbock, Banskter said.

    Ultimately, he said, the difference in the sides came to $2,000.

    "Basically because of $2,000 and contractual language, (the city) couldn't make it happen," Banskter said. "There's not one hotelier that isn't upset (about) the lack of willingness to negotiate from the city."

    The problem, however, is that's largely not what Jehovah's Witnesses representatives told the city or the Convention and Visitors Bureau, which is tasked with negotiating rates and other incentives to help attract groups to San Angelo.

    "We were told they were happy" in San Angelo immediately after their convention this July, said Pamela Miller, vice president of the CVB. "We didn't know" there was dissatisfaction until hotel owners called to relay the group's statement that it would not return in 2009.

    As the CVB and the Jehovah's Witnesses began talking, a number of concerns cropped up, including provisions for next year's convention that called for an armed security guard. The group said it did not want armed security at what it considers a religious function, but then would not sign a waiver absolving the city of responsibility, Miller said.

    In fact, the group directly criticized the hotels in which its members stayed, saying the quality was subpar, Miller said, and that the rates reflected renovations that had not yet been made to the rooms it had booked.

    Even whether the group has turned down San Angelo for Lubbock remains uncertain. Banskter and other hoteliers say San Angelo has lost the convention, possibly for good. Miller and city officials say nothing official has happened yet.

    "We're trying to put together our packages for 2010," Miller said. "We still haven't gotten a definite 'no' for 2009."

    Even if the council's policy is a principal source of the Jehovah's Witnesses' dissatisfaction, officials say City Hall and its Civic Events Department should not be blamed for enforcing a council policy that the Witnesses themselves could ask the council to waive for their convention. Essentially, city staffers are tasked with carrying out council prerogatives, said Parks and Recreation Director Carl White, while the CVB works as the negotiating agent.

    "If you have something unique and different, you have the ability to go before the council and request something different" from what the policy allows, said Assistant City Manager Rick Weise. "Any event has that right."

    Regardless of who is to blame, both sides agree that losing the convention would be a big blow for the city, and that it's in everyone's interests to retain it, either next year or in the future.

    "We're trying to work with the hoteliers and the city," Miller said. "We're just trying to do what we can do to bring it back."

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    It probably has something to do with the food concessions. The wt absolutely does not want the r&f to buy hotdogs and ice cream when they could be donating the money directly to the society.

  • sir82
    sir82
    Why is the JW leadership being so stubborn? Can't they scrape up $2000? Or is this something they're being directed to by WTS headquarters?

    Don't know the specifics of the situation you describe (other than what you stated), but they're probably getting "orders from above". In general, WTS headquarters plays serious hardball with convention negotiations. Why do you think it merits 2 KM mentions per year about the "importance of following theocratic direction" in "only using hotels on the approved list"?

    "Theocratic direction" in regards to what hotel you stay in. Right, like God prefers Marriott over Hilton.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    It might be the concessions, but the only change mentioned was that the organization would have to pay a little rent now.

    Other than that, no sticking points are mentioned. They'd had successful conventions there this year and past years.

  • VM44
    VM44
    the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose annual July convention is the city's fourth-largest by economic impact, pouring $2.36 million into the city's coffers

    And on top of this the Witnessess are asked for contributions to cover the convention's "expenses".

    What to the JWs get out of attending the convention? other than an empty wallet?

  • VM44
    VM44

    "Religion is a Snare and a Racket!"

    Whoever said that knew what they were talking about!

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    As the CVB and the Jehovah's Witnesses began talking, a number of concerns cropped up, including provisions for next year's convention that called for an armed security guard. The group said it did not want armed security at what it considers a religious function, but then would not sign a waiver absolving the city of responsibility, Miller said.

    This is the epitome of unreasonableness. They won't allow the city to have armed security, yet they refuse to hold them harmless for not having armed security. Jackasses!

    Not to mention, over $2,000 they'll have countless thousands drive greater distances. The cost of their $2,000 savings will be more than paid in increased fuel and travel expenses for the rank and file.

  • Gopher
    Gopher
    They won't allow the city to have armed security, yet they refuse to hold them harmless for not having armed security. Jackasses!

    Good catch, John. Could this be the real reason the JW leadership is being so unreasonable? You'd think they'd welcome a little security at their convention, seeing how many enemies they have made with their message of hate.

  • yknot
    yknot

    Sounds like Florida/Vancouver Part Deux.

    While driving 200 or more miles for many is a pain in the gas tank .(and limited local 'friends' whom a family can 'bunk down with')

    Lubbock does offer more 'attractions', yes like many JWs... this is the family vacation!

    So hey the kids get to go to 'Joyland' and maybe an IMAX flick too...

    Kiss San Angelo goodbye.....the WTS tends to hold a grudge...

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    It probably has something to do with the food concessions. The wt absolutely does not want the r&f to buy hotdogs and ice cream when they could be donating the money directly to the society

    I was up north this summer and stayed overnight at a chain hotel for one night. I went down in the morning to grab a coffee and muffin and the little kitchen was packed - JW convention going on in town. I was walking off the elevator, just a few steps from the dining room, about 20 minutes later and there were about 20 or so JW's and kids walking around the hallway to the elevator and parking lot from the kitchen. Pretty well every one of them had paper plates piled up high with bagels, muffins and the like to take with them for lunch. They cleaned the dining room out pretty good and I figure they did it because it cost so much for the new clothes and the lodging, that it was a way to save some money.......it really wasn't a good impression to leave but I don't blame them...sammieswife.

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