What is your place in the universe?

by JimmyPage 7 Replies latest jw experiences

  • JimmyPage

    Looking around this site there are a share of atheists. I totally understand that in a way. Much of religion is b.s. Much of my life reflects an agnostic view.

    For myself though, I still believe in God. I believe in Jesus. Because of WT upbringing I'm not sure if they are the same. My mind rejects the Trinity doctrine and Hellfire. I do believe in an immortal soul though and I think I always have. As far as what "Babylon the Great" is, I welcome your opinion.

    Some people have said "In Search Of Christian Freedom" helped them move on in their spiritual recovery from the WT Society. What are your thoughts on this book and its effect on your views? I read "C o C" but haven't read this one yet.

    I have heard non JWs express the belief that we are in the last days because of all of the strange weather, high gas prices, the unstable stock market, etc. They believed that "the rapture" will come, a concept that I also reject because of WT upbringing. What do you make of all of these things?

    I feel great to have my eyes opened to the WT's baloney but now I tread carefully in the evolution of my beliefs. Like the Who said, "We don't get fooled again!"

  • Satanus

    I continued to believe the bible for about 2 yrs, after leaving the wt. From the bible, i came to believe that jesus was god. I went to pentle churches, mainly. I think that belief is overvalued. Why believe in a system of theology based from a book? If you want to get spirituality, start a practice. If it works, fine. If nothing happens, just live your life. Otherwise, it's just second hand goods.


  • Tired of the Hypocrisy
    Tired of the Hypocrisy

    I still believe in God, Christ, and being decent to other people.

  • FlyingHighNow

    I'm a Universalist with some Christian beliefs. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I also believe that everyone including wayward angels have God's love and he will never give up on any of his creatures. Last days? I believe if we are in the last days it is because of man and what he has done to the earth. I don't think God is going to destroy the earth or angels or people. It's very possible man could render the earth lifeless and then we are all in God's hands. How he will intervene on our behalf is not clear to me, but I know there is hope for everyone and there is a future. Meanwhile, we live in a world that can be both beautiful and horrible at the same time.

  • jaguarbass

    What do I make of all these things? If you are searching it is a journey.

    What are you searcing for? Meaning, truth, understanding the world we live in.

    I have been out of the tower since 83 and my beliefs have evolved.

    I have been searching and examining for so long that I can pretty much say no belief I have found stands up to scrutiny and examination.

    Were going to live till we die and then we will find out whats behind the door.

    I would suggest if you want to believe in God dont read the bible. Just believe and have a personal relationship. Because reading studying and comprehending the bible leads to atheism.

    The bible is a book writen by man to control men.

    I read both of Franz's books in the 80's when I escaped the tower they gave me confidence that I was correct in leaving and that the organization was miss-representing itself. To me the tower was a false prophet to stay away from.

    As far as being in the last days. I have several ways to look at it.

    1 way is the JW's are not Gods chosen people, prophets, spokesmen and holders to the keys of the ark.

    way 2. In life there have always been ups and downs good times bad times, hills and valleys. We are in a down time today at least in the US.

    Way 3. There are certain hidden truths in the bible and the earth is subject to cataclysms and disasters from time to time based on several things. The time it takes men to evolve back to the technological state that we are now at is how long it takes for the next catastrophe to come along.

    The time period that I come up with in my research is 8,000 to 12,000 years. They have dug up in Alaska frozen muck containing bones of lions, mastadons, horses, indicating that the earths poles have changed and there has been a climate change.

    Zecahria Sitchin has translated the hyroglyphics of the Summerians to indicate that the earth is put through a cataclysm as a result of coming into the gravitational pul of planet x niberu.

    It is speculated that planet x's return corresponds with the Mayan calander running out in 2012.

    It is speculated that the Gods including Jehovah are on planet x.

    Modern man do not know of this planet because it is on a 8 to 12,000 year orbit of the earth. But there is evidence of it in the sumerian text.

    If this interst you you can also check out Chariots of the Gods by Vondaniken.

    Along with works by zechariah Sitchkin.

  • Gregor

    I agree with one third of what Tired said: "I still believe in God, Christ, and being decent to other people."

  • AnneB

    There is no universe.

  • drwtsn32

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