Measles, Cults and Vaccinations

by OrphanCrow 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OrphanCrow

    A member of the Esprit-Saint Mission told CBC News reporter Thomas Daigle that vaccinations are against the community's beliefs and that their prophet warns them vaccines result in illness. The member confirmed the first cases of measles in the region originated with the community.
    The Esprit-Saint eugenics group was founded by Eugène Richer Dit LaFlèche in 1913. The community purports to live by and work toward spreading the message of the third member of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit.
    A former member of the community said it believes vaccines compromise people's immune systems, and that they feel protected by the spirit of Dit La Flèche, who died in 1925.
    Public health officials said Wednesday they believe the number of infections will continue to climb.

    This article sounded interesting - I was reminded of how similar this cult's views on vaccinations are to the JWs view, especially back in the 1920s to the 1950s.

    So...I did a search on the founder, Dit La Fleche. And, lo and behold...a thread on this forum popped up in the results.

    from that older thread:

    blondie10 years agow76 11/15 p. 695 I Found Something Worth Fighting For ***
    A unique experience was encountered in 1975 when I met some of the influential members of a small French church group of about 1,500 people called "La Mission de l’Esprit Saint" (The Mission of the Holy Spirit). After a long talk with one of these men, he asked if he and some friends could come to see me. "Of course," I said. A few days later he arrived with other members and their wives—forty in all!
    In time, they locked up their church, closed their school, and all their "servants" resigned. Then they told their members to start studying with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Suddenly, a thousand people wanted Bible studies!
    In a space of two months I placed 1,300 Bible study aids among them. Many of the studies ceased later, but close to a hundred of this former church group have been immersed as Jehovah’s Witnesses, and four hundred others are either studying or attending meetings at the Kingdom Halls. More are expected to be immersed shortly.

    tigoyo12 years agoJust for your information, "The Prince" was the surname of the second leader of "La Mission de l'Esprit-Saint", Gustave Robitaille (d. 1965), sucessor of His Majesty the Master Eugène Richer dit Laflèche. The thing that happened is what some would call a "cognitive dissonance". The Mission servants (equivalent of the elders in a JW Cong.) announced the End of the World (called the Warning) around 1975 too. But the thing is that it never happend (DUH!) and the group falled apart and many offshots grew up from that incident, there's 2 of them remaining nowadays. The "church" that they closed is still there on Everett near Papineau in Montreal but it's almost vacant (1 servant left and maybe a dozen of "consecrated" coming for the weekly meetings. And indeed a good part of the flock of the Mission went to the JW as there is a great similarity in many aspect: worship (3 meetings of 2 hours each week) ,classic music (piano, violin,etc.) , hierarchy (God, The Master (Eugène Richer dit Laflèche) and the Servants (Elders), hate toward the World (avoidance of social activities, pagan fests, home schooling) , a similar 6000 year chronology, importance of the religious litterature over the Bible, modesty (no makeup, no jewels, no hair tint), family (no superior studies, getting married young and no contraception allowed) and alot of similarity in the slang of the two religions (Armagueddon, system of things, a unique definition of the holy spirit).
    tigoyo12 years agoCO's Eugène Pothier and Richer Pothier are from La Mission de l'Esprit Saint

    It's wacky. To be fair, some people do become ill or develop chronic issues from vaccinations. Immune systems are unique after all.

    Even so, the holy writ is silent on the matter.


  • Crazyguy
    What year did the JW's publish that there was no such thing as viruses?
  • Viviane
    Another wacky religion endangering peoples lives because Jesus and stupid.
  • scary21
    Very interesting. Thanks for posting this information.
  • OrphanCrow
    crazyguy: What year did the JW's publish that there was no such thing as viruses?

    The WTS' stance that germs followed disease instead of the other way around, was expounded on many times in the Golden Age (Consolation) magazine during the 1920s and 30s. The WTS consistently took a stand against the AMA whenever they could.

    The Golden Age and its successor Consolation contained several articles against the germ theory of disease. They believed the medical profession and scientific communities that held certain germs caused disease were wrong. They believed that the germs associated with certain diseases followed the arrival of the diseases. Instead of germs causing diseases, they believed diseases caused germs. The diseases themselves were actually caused by improper diet and constipation! If one had less than two bowel movements a day, one would get any number of diseases in short order.
    Again, long after bacteria and viruses proved to be the cause of some diseases, The Golden Age was saying that not a single disease was caused by germs, that Pasteur was a "fake" and that Hydrophobia or Rabies was simply a "mental hoax". For this reason, The Golden Age and Consolation magazines advised not to drink pasteurized milk, but to drink it raw to get the benefits of nutrients destroyed during pasteurization.
    Since they didn’t believe bacteria caused food poisoning, they thought it must be the aluminum food was cooked in. Since viruses and bacteria didn’t cause diseases such as smallpox, having a vaccination was viewed as putting "filthy pus" into ones veins. The real culprit in disease causation was constipation!
  • WTWizard

    There are good reasons to refuse a vaccine. You might be allergic to it. You might not wish to expose yourself to the chemicals in the vaccine, some of which are designed to make you sick (in the long run, so you won't realize why you are sick). You might believe they are a waste of time and money, or that they do more harm than good. Or, you might refuse specific shots because they are not worth it, while taking others you believe are worthwhile.

    However, the insistence of a cult is not a good reason. They want to make things as difficult as possible for the members, and refusing a vaccine is just one thing they impose. They also refuse birthday and holiday celebrations, voting, and who knows what else. They also refuse the shots for the wrong reasons, not allowing people to do their own research about each shot so they can make their own decisions on a per-shot basis.

  • Barrold Bonds
    Barrold Bonds
    You might not wish to expose yourself to the chemicals in the vaccine, some of which are designed to make you sick (in the long run, so you won't realize why you are sick).

    You are absolutely insane. Please stop spreading tin-foil hat conspiracy theory stuff like this.

  • rebel8

    And they were still peddling this message decades later.

    The Watchtower 1st November 1961 p.670:

    Since the Bible forbids the eating of blood, how are Christians to view the use of serums and vaccines? Has the Society changed its viewpoint on this? - J. D., U.S.A.

    The Bible is very clear that blood could properly be used only on the altar; otherwise it was to be poured out on the ground. (Lev. 17:11 - 13) The entire modern medical practice involving the use of blood is objectionable from the Christian standpoint. Therefore the taking of a blood transfusion, or, in lieu of that, the infusing of some blood fraction to sustain one's life is wrong. As to the use of vaccines and other substances that may in some way involve the use of blood in their preparation, it should not be concluded that the Watch Tower Society endorses these and says that the practice is right and is a contamination of the human system."
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