99.99% Jehovah's Witnesses AREN'T Jehovah's Witnesses! (page 2)

Satanus

They are wt corporate drones.

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*** jv chap. 7 p. 83 Advertise the King and the Kingdom! (1919-1941) ***The following spring, several issues of TheWatchtower, beginning with the April 1, 1935, issue, carried this announcement: "Again TheWatchtower reminds its readers that a convention of Jehovah’s witnesses and Jonadabs will be held at Washington, D.C., beginning May 30 and ending June 3, 1935

At that time the Jonadabs were not considered to be "Jehovah’s witnesses." (See TheWatchtower, August 15, 1934, page 249.) (not until 1942)

1934 "All who have taken their stand on the side of Jehovah must abide in his organization under Christ, if they would live. There is no exception to this rule." "The name `Jehovah's witnesses' applies specifically to God's anointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for Jehovah, and these alone bear the new name...The official organization of Jehovah on earth consists of his anointed remnant, and the Jonadabs who walk with the anointed are to be taught, but not to be leaders." WT August 15, 1934, p. 249. [compare 1883]

1883 "We always refuse to be called by any other name than that of our Head. Christians continually claiming that there can be no division among those continually led by his Spirit and example as made known through his Word." WT REPRINTS, March, p. 458.

Satanus

Blondie

That is proof that the russelites were christians. However, the rutherford followers ceased being christians, by the wt's own words. Except, theoretically, the socalled anointed. However, the gb doesn't consider the majority of those who claim to be anointed as genuine.

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sacolton

However, the gb doesn't consider the majority of those who claim to be anointed as genuine.

That's true. Another reason why they opened the doors to Heaven again.

james_woods

If the Russelites were "christians", and the Rutherfordites not so much so, would that not make the original Seventh Day Adventists even more-so the "true christians" of the day?

After all, the good pastor saw fit to copy practically all his theology from them in the first place...

james_woods

Sorry to double post, but this just popped up -

Who exactly of all the 6 million claimed "Jehovahs Witnesses" has ever actually "witnessed" one single thing that their Destructor God Jehovah has ever done, (good, bad or indifferent) - in their entire miserable tract-selling janitor lives?

Not one. Not a single thing that would hold up in a court of law. The "truth" is that not one of them - not CTR, not Rutherford, not the Book Nazi Knorr, - not one of them has ever seen Jehovah do a single thing.

Not a one of them is an honest eye-witness of one single act of the totally absent God Jehovah.

Satanus

James

'would that not make the original Seventh Day Adventists even more-so the "true christians" of the day?'

Many christians like to add the desriptors 'true' or 'false'. Also, it is an ongoing argument on what exactly defines who is christian and who isn't. There have been a few threads on this. My own view is just on voice in the sea of cocaphony. However, for this discussion, i would say that if a person has enough freedom of thought to follow jesus as he/she sees fit, then they are christian. If there are too many dictates/directives/instructions/limitations from another source, to the point that they interfere w the previously described freedom, then they are following that source, not jesus. Thus, they are not christian. That's my view.

Based on that, i don't know enough about the original adventists to say for sure if they were christians, although i suspect that they were. Miller was not a dictator.

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blondie

Actually, Satanus, it was to show that 1) that CTR never wanted a religious name other than Christian, obviously they did take on the name Bible Student; secondly, and the main point is that when the name JWs was taken on in 1931, only the anointed were considered jws until 1942.

james_woods

Pardon me if I am wrong, but didn't Russell himself have a sort of four-part quartet of God's People?

a) - the Israelite holy men of old

b) - early christians and the remnant of them (his followers at the turn of the century) - which became the 144,000...

c) - non-Isrealite persons who had formerly lived on earth

d) - the masses of non-Russelite people living on earth at the time of the end (which he thought would be in 1914)?

And IIRC, he was a sort of enthusiast for the eventual reconciliation of all these to God (with only a small minority as being unredeemable and sent to destruction). My take on it was that Russell himself thought the end was coming so quickly that there was no theological need for a "great crowd" - this group would more properly apply to non-christian people who had lived and died in the past.

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