Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra, Chapter XI "The New Idol"

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  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I was reading last night after retiring from the board (I hit posting limits), and quite coincidentally (in context with a couple of recent threads I had posted on yesterday) read a chapter in the Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra that has a connection with the discussion here, and here. "The New Idol". Apparently, along with the assertion that "God is Dead", a new idol, the State, must be erected in its place as a savior. I asked myself, why would anyone surrender their freedom to a greater power, the power of the state? Fear. It is like a horse that accepts a saddle and bridle and mounts a rider upon itself, out of fear for the wolf. It may defeat the wolf but it will be forever enslaved to the rider.

    XI. THE NEW IDOL.

    Somewhere there are still peoples and herds, but not with us, my brethren:
    here there are states.

    A state? What is that? Well! open now your ears unto me, for now will I
    say unto you my word concerning the death of peoples.

    A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also;
    and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."

    It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and
    a love over them: thus they served life.

    Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they
    hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.

    Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated
    as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.

    This sign I give unto you: every people speaketh its language of good and
    evil: this its neighbour understandeth not. Its language hath it devised
    for itself in laws and customs.

    But the state lieth in all languages of good and evil; and whatever it
    saith it lieth; and whatever it hath it hath stolen.

    False is everything in it; with stolen teeth it biteth, the biting one.
    False are even its bowels.

    Confusion of language of good and evil; this sign I give unto you as the
    sign of the state. Verily, the will to death, indicateth this sign!
    Verily, it beckoneth unto the preachers of death!

    Many too many are born: for the superfluous ones was the state devised!

    See just how it enticeth them to it, the many-too-many! How it swalloweth
    and cheweth and recheweth them!

    "On earth there is nothing greater than I: it is I who am the regulating
    finger of God"--thus roareth the monster. And not only the long-eared and
    short-sighted fall upon their knees!

    Ah! even in your ears, ye great souls, it whispereth its gloomy lies! Ah!
    it findeth out the rich hearts which willingly lavish themselves!

    Yea, it findeth you out too, ye conquerors of the old God! Weary ye became
    of the conflict, and now your weariness serveth the new idol!

    Heroes and honourable ones, it would fain set up around it, the new idol!
    Gladly it basketh in the sunshine of good consciences,--the cold monster!

    Everything will it give YOU, if YE worship it, the new idol: thus it
    purchaseth the lustre of your virtue, and the glance of your proud eyes.

    It seeketh to allure by means of you, the many-too-many! Yea, a hellish
    artifice hath here been devised, a death-horse jingling with the trappings
    of divine honours!

    Yea, a dying for many hath here been devised, which glorifieth itself as
    life: verily, a hearty service unto all preachers of death!

    The state, I call it, where all are poison-drinkers, the good and the bad:
    the state, where all lose themselves, the good and the bad: the state,
    where the slow suicide of all--is called "life."

    Just see these superfluous ones! They steal the works of the inventors and
    the treasures of the wise. Culture, they call their theft--and everything
    becometh sickness and trouble unto them!

    Just see these superfluous ones! Sick are they always; they vomit their
    bile and call it a newspaper. They devour one another, and cannot even
    digest themselves.

    Just see these superfluous ones! Wealth they acquire and become poorer
    thereby. Power they seek for, and above all, the lever of power, much
    money--these impotent ones!

    See them clamber, these nimble apes! They clamber over one another, and
    thus scuffle into the mud and the abyss.

    Towards the throne they all strive: it is their madness--as if happiness
    sat on the throne! Ofttimes sitteth filth on the throne.--and ofttimes
    also the throne on filth.

    Madmen they all seem to me, and clambering apes, and too eager. Badly
    smelleth their idol to me, the cold monster: badly they all smell to me,
    these idolaters.

    My brethren, will ye suffocate in the fumes of their maws and appetites!
    Better break the windows and jump into the open air!

    Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the idolatry of the
    superfluous!

    Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the steam of these
    human sacrifices!

    Open still remaineth the earth for great souls. Empty are still many sites
    for lone ones and twain ones, around which floateth the odour of tranquil
    seas.

    Open still remaineth a free life for great souls. Verily, he who
    possesseth little is so much the less possessed: blessed be moderate
    poverty!

    There, where the state ceaseth--there only commenceth the man who is not
    superfluous: there commenceth the song of the necessary ones, the single
    and irreplaceable melody.

    There, where the state CEASETH--pray look thither, my brethren! Do ye not
    see it, the rainbow and the bridges of the Superman?--

    Thus spake Zarathustra.

    BTS

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    Apparently, along with the assertion that "God is Dead", a new idol, the State, must be erected in its place as a savior. I asked myself, why would anyone surrender their freedom to a greater power, the power of the state?

    Reminds me of the obituary's heading of the recently deceased Flemish writer Hugo Claus:

    Ni dieu, ni maître.

    Maybe that's the only consistent conclusion of every libertarian ...

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    burn

    I see Nietzsche as writing philosophically and metaphorically here and not literally, do you?

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr

    Beside, Nietzsche requires a contextual reading.

    There's no link whatsover between American light bulbs and das Deutsche Kaiserreich.

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    I agree Hamilcarr - what points was he trying to illustrate in Zarathustra (I only have cursory knowledge btw) and what sorts of mentalities was he talking about and describling.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    There's no link whatsover between American light bulbs and das Deutsche Kaiserreich.

    Lightbulbs are a little thing, but a symptom of a greater thing: the encroachment of the state on the individual. According to what I read the state holds back the coming of the Overman. That is what this text is telling me. I think it has a strong link with the other thread. I am still studying this. As little state as possible Nietzsche The Dawn

    Beside, Nietzsche requires a contextual reading.

    I think you are just being dismissive here. BTS

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    what sorts of mentalities was he talking about and describling.

    German nationalism was rising after the slow unification of the different principalities to one empire under Bismarck. The aim of the nationalists was to recreate the First (Holy Roman) Empire in all its glory. Hitlers Dritte Reich echoed these attempts by reinforcing the power of the state.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    German nationalism was rising after the slow unification of the different principalities to one empire under Bismarck. The aim of the nationalists was to recreate the First (Holy Roman) Empire in all its glory. Hitlers Dritte Reich echoed these attempts by reinforcing the power of the state.

    All true, but I think this text touches a much broader subject than the specific politics of the time.

    BTS

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    According to what I read the state holds back the coming of the Overman.

    According to the text not only the state or the political realm, but also the marketplace and religion.

    The Overman is an unattainable ideal, someone who values his solitude, even free from the bonds of community.

    Imo, but I may be wrong on this, Nietzsche doesn't present a full-fledged political philosophy, but more of a moral guideline for the happy few.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    It depends on what how "full-fledged" full-fledged is. But he has some ideas in "Human, All Too Human" here are a couple:

    Paragraph 473

    Socialism with regards to its means.— Socialism is the visionary younger brother of an almost decrepit despotism, whose heir it wants to be; thus its efforts are reactionary in the deepest sense. For it desires an abundance of executive power, as only despotism has ever had; indeed, it outdoes everything in the past by striving for the downright destruction of the individual, who it sees as an unauthorized luxury of nature, and who it intends to improve into a useful organ of the community. It crops up in the vicinity of all excessive displays of power because of its relation to it, like the typical old socialist Plato, at the court of the Sicilian tyrant [In 388 B.C. Plato visited the court of the Sicilian tyrant Dionysius the Elder in Syracuse, where he returned in 367 and 361 B.C., hoping to realize his political ideals there.] ; it desires (and in certain circumstances, furthers) the Caesarean power state of this century, because, as we said, it would like to be its heir. But even this inheritance would not suffice for its purposes, it needs the most submissive subjugation of all citizens to the absolute state, the like of which has never existed; and since it cannot even count any longer on the old religious piety towards the state, having rather always to work automatically to eliminate piety—because it works on the elimination of all existing states—, it can only hope to exist here and there for short periods of time by means of the most extreme terrorism. Therefore, it secretly prepares for reigns of terror, and drives the word "justice" like a nail into the heads of the half-educated masses, to rob them completely of their reason (after this reason has already suffered a great deal from its half-education), and to create in them a good conscience for the evil game that they are to play.— Socialism can serve as a rather brutal and forceful way to teach the danger of all accumulations of state power, and to that extent instill one with distrust of the state itself. When its harsh voice chimes in with the battle cry [Feldgeschrei] "as much state as possible," it will at first make the cry noisier than ever; but soon the opposite cry will be heard with strength the greater: "as little state as possible."

    and Paragraph 480

    Envy and indolence in different directions.— The two opposing parties, the socialistic and the nationalist—or whatever they are called in Europe's various countries—deserve one another: in both of them, envy and laziness are the moving forces. In the former camp, people want to work as little as possible with their hands, in the latter, as little as possible with their heads; in the latter they hate and envy the prominent, self-evolved individuals who are unwilling to let themselves be placed into the rank and file for the purpose of a mass action; in the former the better, outwardly more favored caste of society whose actual task, the production of the supreme goods of culture [höchsten Culturgüter] , makes life inwardly all the more difficult and painful. If, to be sure, one should succeed in turning that spirit of mass action into the spirit of the higher social classes, then the socialistic throngs would be quite justified in seeking to level them with themselves outwardly, too, since they would already be level with one another in head and heart.— Live as higher men, and persist in doing the deeds of higher culture—then everything alive will grant you your rights, and the social order, whose peak you represent, will be proof against every evil eye and claw!

    Wow. I like this.

    BTS

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