Date of Genesis Book..

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  • greek

    Hi to all, I´ve studied the book of Genesis , and works of reference, and I arrived to the conclution that genesis wasn´t written by Moses in the century XV-XVI B.C. This is my source of antecedents to my theory:

    Genesis 10 spoke about Nineveh, Calah , Resen as "the Great City", that , really, only become so in the centuries VIII-VII B.C., and not before.

    In many verses it is spoken of " in that time inhabited the Cannaním", etc

  • OnTheWayOut

    Scholars will agree with you. Many say that Moses probably never existed, there is absolutely no
    proof that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, and it seems that the Egyptian empire was physically
    built by craftsmen and skilled labor.

    They will say that Genesis and Exodus developed out of legends and were recorded much later as
    a blending of the beliefs of the people. Even if the first drafts were written back in the days before
    King David, they were heavily edited sometime afterward.

  • Leolaia

    "These were the kings who reigned in Edom before any Israelite king reigned" (Genesis 36:31).

  • JCanon
    Scholars will agree with you. Many say that Moses probably never existed, there is absolutely no
    proof that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, and it seems that the Egyptian empire was physically
    built by craftsmen and skilled labor.

    This is an inaccurate and incompetent statement. Syncellus/Manetho specifically notes when Joseph became vizier in the 17th of Apophis in which case you can date the Exodus specifically to the last year of Amenhotep III.

    The Bible states at Isaiah 19:19 that the king who ruled after Egypt was struck with a blow that the Egyptians would build an altar for Yahweh in the middle of Egypt "near it's boundary", meaning halfway between Upper and Lower Egypt. Aknenaten did this and was a monotheist. So the Exodus works exceedingly well when it is actually dated to the correct time.

    Here's Kathleen Kenyon's absolute dating for when the Israelites conquered Jericho:

    Kathleen Kenyon: Digging Up Jericho, Jericho and the Coming of the Israelites, page 262:

    "As concerns the date of the destruction of Jericho by the Israelites, all that can be said is that the latest Bronze Age occupation should, in my view, be dated to the third quarter of the fourteenth century B.C. This is a date which suits neither the school of scholars which would date the entry of the Israelites into Palestine to c. 1400 B.C. nor the school which prefers a date of c. 1260 B.C."

    Page 261 of her book, "Digging Up Jericho," in the Chapter called "Jericho And Coming Of The Israelites," she says:

    "It is a sad fact that of the town walls of the Late Bronze Age, within which period the attack by the Israelites must fall by any dating, not a trace remains."

    The third quarter of the 14th century is 1350-1325 BCE! If you correct the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE, the Exodus is exactly 19 jubilees earlier, that is 19 x 49 = 931 years. That dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE and the fall of Jericho 40 years later to 1346 CE, which is exactly where archaeology is dating this!! So you've got a confirmation and very strong statement here that Akhenaten, having experienced the ten plagues, did exactly what the Bible said, and repented and offered sacrifice and became monotheists!!

    So to say "there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF" is subjective and basically being ill-informed with the latest research.

    As far as the Jews never being slaves, though I anticpate you will object, these slaves making bricks during the reign of Thuthmosis III. He shows slaves making BRICKS! That is what the Jews were used for. So we have a confirmation that Egyptiand did have SLAVES who made BRICKS, so why is there "absolutely no proof"?

    In the meantime, these slaves are not Egyptian looking. They are not Egyptian in dress! Egyptians are dark. These guys are white and they look rather Asiatic! So why are they NOT Jews? You can't say. You have the Biblical record that during the reign of Thuthmosis the Jews would have been slaves and you see slaves making bricks, and they are not hired Egyptians. Egyptians are depicted as dark so since these are not, one presumes they are of fairer skin tone. Plus look at the facial features? Egyptian, or more Asiatic?

    So it depends on the "eye of the beholder." To you, these might seem like anybody else BUT Jews. To me they are obviously Jews.

    You think I'm crazy, I'm sure. I think you're mis-informed living in a historical anti-Biblical fantasy world..... Akhenaten's conversion to monotheism is all a Biblicalist needs to confirm the 10 plagues and the Exodus, besides the chronology specifics, which are now in place. That is, RC14 dating for the fall of Rehov by Shishak is dated to 871 BCE which dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE, exactly 931 years from 455 BCE, the 1st of Cyrus, just as the Bible indicates.

    By the way, "scholars" are in no position to agree or disagree until they specify which pharaoh ruled at the time of the Exodus. When that rule becomes Akhenaten, there's plenty of "confidence" over the ten plagues and the Exodus. After experiencing the ten plagues, he considered all the gods of Egypt as "worthless" and claims his own god told him to build a new city and altar in the middle of Egypt, just as the Bible confirms. Just an insider joke if you're a witness, this means that Akhenaten, technically, was one of "Jehovah's witnesses"!!! TEE HEE!

    Sorry. The Exodus actually happened as well as the ten plagues. You need only to have the correct chronology and archaeology lined up.


  • hamsterbait

    When Rebeccah went to marry Isaac, she is said to have gone on a CAMEL, yet this animal was not domesticated at the time these events are purported to have happened.

    I smell a big fat something...

    With regard to Akhenaten and his monotheist cult - Genesis states that Pharoah drowned along with his armies. So he was not the Pharoah who chased Israel into the sea.


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