Christianity Pagan says Rex

by Satanus 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Here's some more valid infor for ya, SS:

    http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/monotheism.htm

    Some of the text:

    That is also made very clear in the writings of a modern writer, Don Richardson. In his book Eternity In Their Hearts, he challenges the smug conclusions of scholars, Huxley, Spencer, Tylor, and others who believed: "They had thoroughly debunked all pretensions about the supernatural origin of religion. Religion, they claimed, evolved mentally just as biological forms evolved physically.

    Back on the Kalahari Desert, in the Ituri forest, and innumberable other locations, however; the young anthropologists were getting down to a deeper level of questioning. They would ask the animists: "By the way, who made the world?" and were startled to hear them respond, often with a happy smile, by naming a single Being who lived in the sky.

    "Is he good or bad?" was a usual second question.
    "Good, of course", was the invariable reply. "Show me the idol you use to represent him", the researcher might ask. "What idol? Don't you know that he must never be represented by an idol?"

    (Wow! Isn't that the first of the Ten Commandments?)

    This of course opposes the teachings of many modern scholars. However, as Don Richardson says: "They began discovering what thousands of missionaries had already known for a hundred years - that about 90% of the world's folk religions are permeated with monotheistic presuppositions.

    "They knew, of course, that Huxley, Tylor and the others would be disappointed, not to mention embarrassed. Some researchers may have shelved this aspect of their research to avoid embarrassing their high priests. In any case, these later revelations did not find their way into early textbooks. The result: Anthropology and the public developed a collective "blind spot!" Andrew Lang was alone in protesting the suppression of this contradicting data."

    Finally, Dr. Wilhelm Schmidt, an Austrian, set out in the 1920's to compile every "alias of the Almighty" discovered by explorers around the world. It took Schmidt an amazing six volumes totalling 4,500 pages to detail them all! A minimum of a thousand more examples have come to light since then. An approximate 90 percent or more of the folk religions on this planet contain clear acknowledgment of the existence of one Supreme God! Schmidt's classic "Der Ursprung der Gottesidee" (The Origin of the Concept of God) was finally published in 1934.

    He pays tribute to Andrew Lang before him for, in anthropologist Gordon Fraser's words, presenting to the public the facts of the matter, when it was almost intellectual suicide to oppose the doctrine of evolution and its high priests. Fraser himself, also spent much of his life extending Lang's and Schmidt's research. G. Foucart's treatment of the subject in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics further confirms the conclusions of these three unblinded men: "The nature, role, and characteristics of this universal sky-god may be concealed under the most diverse forms, but he is always more or less recognisable to the historian of religions and always identical in essential definition ... The sky-god has reigned everywhere. His kingdom still covers the whole of the uncivilised world. (He reigns over much of the civilized world as well as under different names.) No historical or proto-historical motive can be assigned as a cause, and neither the migration of races nor the diffusion of myths and folklore affords the slightest justification of the fact. The universality of the sky-god and the uniformity of his essential characteristics are the logical consequence of the uniformity of the primitive system of cosmogony."

    "King Solomon said it much more concisely: "(God) has also put eternity in the hearts of men!" Ecclesiastes 3:11,
    Don Richardson elaborates with tribe after tribe, even showing that there were hymns with theology that was clearly consistent with the fact of one true God. Here is one selection, from the Karen people of Burma:

    "Y'wa is eternal, his life is long.
    One aeon - he dies not!
    Two aeons - he dies not!
    He is perfect in meritorious attributes.
    Aeons follow aeons - he dies not!"

    (Y'wa = Yhwh?)
    Such people actually refer to Him as Creator. Another hymn extolled Y'wa as Creator:

    "Who created the world in the beginning?
    Y'wa created the world in the beginning!
    Y'wa appointed everything.
    Y'wa is unsearchable!"

    Still another hymn conveyed deep appreciation for Y'wa's omnipotence and omniscience, combined with acknowledgment of a lack of relationship with Him:

    "The omnipotent is Y'wa; him have we not believed.
    Y'wa created men anciently;
    He has a perfect knowledge of all things!
    Y'wa created men at the beginning;
    He knows all things to the present time!
    O my children and grandchildren!
    The earth is the treading place of the feet of Y'wa.
    And heaven is the place where he sits.
    He sees all things, and we are manifest to him."

    It almost seems that such people have the Bible record of creation before them. Don Richardson states: "The Karen story of man's falling away from God contains stunning parallels to Genesis Chapter 1:

    "Y'wa formed the world originally.
    He appointed food and drink.
    He appointed the "fruit of trial."
    He gave detailed order.
    Mu-kaw-lee deceived two persons.
    He caused them to eat the fruit of the tree of trial.
    They obeyed not; they believed not Y'wa ...
    When they ate the fruit of trial,
    They became subject to sickness, aging, and death ..."

    (Ouch! That's very close to Genesis 'myths' being actual origins!)

    These Karen people had obstinately adhered to their own folk religion dispite high pressured attempts by the Burmese to convert them to Buddhism" ... and they had, throughout their generations, from the inception of their history, expected a white brother, one who would bring a book authored by Y'wa the Supreme God.
    Don Richardson demonstrates that the Greek term Deos (God) has gone through pronunciation/ geographical changes, to be Deos in one area, Deus in another, and Theos in a third. It was only a minor step to Zeus, a major "God" in Greek mythology. The meanings have gradually changed, but the original concept is readily traced to one common source. This world-wide belief in monotheism explains how "illiterate yet practical minded, close-to-the-earth Santa/folk religionists insist so firmly that there is in fact an omnipotent and moral beneficent Creator."

    (Do you remember Paul's exposition in Romans, "those who had no law being a law unto themselves"? Could Yahweh really be universal in all ancient religious 'myths'?)

    Don Richardson shows that such findings have "disturbed evolutionists more than any other cultural phenomenon." Evolutionary theorists hold that the concept of one Supreme Being was reached only after proceeding through more lowly beliefs such as fetishes, nature gods, and polytheism. They now find that the more "primitive" the tribe, the more advanced, their ideas about one true God - monotheism!

    I'm sure there will be rebuttals but maybe this will open some eyes of ones who have banked on the relgion of science and it's main doctrine of evolution.
    Rex

  • JanH
    JanH

    Chappy,

    What time-frame did the Egyption ruler Akinatin (spelling?) fall in? I was under the impression that he was the first known montheist.

    Hmm, I have all my books packed down still, but it is my definite impression he was more a monolatrist. It's also possible he was portrayed as opposed to the gods when he was really just opposed to the powerful priests who actually succeeded in getting rid of him. Didn't he reign shortly before Ramses II?

    Some historians seem to think this is where Moses got his ideas.

    I seem to remember some even arguing that he was Moses. This remains a bit speculative, though. Yes, if Moses was really a person coming from Egypt, it is not impossible he had been influenced by such ideas. But the early Bible books are not monotheistsic. You can find lots of polytheistic ideas even in the Torah. Remember e.g. "let us create".

    Rex,

    The (old) Catholic Encyclipaedia was never one of my favorite sources. I doubt you'd even find many Catholic scholars these days who give it much credit in the field of comparative religion. The concept that monotheism is somehow more intellectually demanding than polytheism is absurd.

    The fact is there is no evidence of monotheism being the "original religion", and very much against.

    - Jan
    --
    "Doctor how can you diagnose someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and then act like I had some choice about barging in here right now?" -- As Good As It Gets

  • JanH
    JanH

    LOL, Rex, your library contains an amazing amount of nonsense. I spent my first years of study reading early scholars like Fraser. Interesting, of course, but his conclusions have been mostly rejected by scholars for many decades. Your text doesn't seem to refer to anything written for the last 50 years or so.

    It's funny that you seem to think the reference to "evolutionism" in the text refers to biological evolution. It has nothing to do with it!

    Those "evolutionist" studies in religion had the fatal flaw of assuming that because a religion belonged to a more "primitive" society, it was somehow closer to the "original religion" that must (logically) have existed once. Of course, a "primitive" tribe has just as many years of religious development behind it as western society has. It is just not documented in writing.

    Fact is, we only have vague arcgeological clues to these pre-writing religions, so we have no idea what they believed and did. Therefor, my discipline has long time ago stopped speculating about it. We will probably never find out.

    Furthermore, scholars have in vain searched for real universals in religion. The idea that the "sky god" is a universal is simply laughable.

    You would do well to get yourself educated and look a bit outside the fundie-camp. Try for example to take a course in comparative religion at your local university (apparently, you seem to live in a slightly more civilized area than I first thought).

    - Jan
    --
    "Doctor how can you diagnose someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and then act like I had some choice about barging in here right now?" -- As Good As It Gets

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Hi Jan,
    I have a very expensive and reputable Catholic university about 5 miles from me. If they have the type of scholarship that made up the Jesus Seminar gang (I hope they don't), then I say 'no thanks'. My friend, you applaud some of the most biased scholarship today as being 'reputable' when all they are doing is promoting their own agenda, ala, Bishop Spong.
    You don't even seem to recognize moderate scholarship as legitimate and I can't understand you casually dismissing valid reasoning just because it is 'fifty years old'. Just my view, no judgement of you.
    As usual, we part disagreed. But that's OK.
    Rex

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Rex

    Interesting that you quote reference works that describe 'primitive' tribes as worshipping the one true creator god. It's quite a flip flop from an earlier thread where you accused the wt jehovah god and the islam allah god of being made up, ie fake gods. My point in the earlier thread was to show that their gods, jehovah and allah, were really taken directly or indirectly from the ot. While you have extolled some primitive monotheists, i know that if you don't believe they were worshipping the same god as you.

    It seems you will quote whatever supports your objective of the moment, which is not addressing that the christian traditions are of pagan origin.

    SS

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    We have all been in a religion which we thought was the best of what was available. Some of us still believe that, though we have left that behind because it was seriously flawed, that now we have a belief which is really the real truth. If only we could leave that mindframe behind us, to explore reality or 'god', each in the way best suited for him/her.

    While i am not promoting another belief system, some of the concepts within hinduism agree w my own views at this time. Hinduism as all know has thousands of gods. Yet their scholars claim that they are all part of the infinite which we call 'god'. Each person gets his own glimpse of the divine, and feels comfortable w that aspect of it, and so he may put a name on it for convenience sake, to aide him in his spiritual journey. Yet it still part of the all pervaiding divine.

    They maintain, as have many mystics, that 'god' is nondescribable, unnamable, for to do so is to limit him, when he is limitless. Those who have experienced 'god' find it very hard to describe. Those who havn't, who have read books about 'god' can go one for hours describing it.

    Each of our religions is like a box of a certain shape, and we generally feel the need to find a box that suits our temperamment. If we change we must find a new religion. Growth is hindered. It appears that hinduism allows for people at all levels of spirituality. I have what i call a 'one man religion', i am the only member. And so, i'm not promoting hinduism. I attach the following article to perhaps enlarge the box that many try to put 'god' into.

    This is from: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/danielou.html

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    A Theory of Polytheism

    By Alain Danielou

    While conversing about PolyTheology, an intelligent and scholarly Neopagan friend of mine recommended Alain Danielou's description of Polytheism as found in his book The Gods of India, also published as Hindu Polytheism. It is excellent and, i think, describes polytheism beyond its relation to Hinduism. Although given in a Hindu context, it can be used to describe polytheism in general and religion in an inclusive way, even fitting monotheism within it. Hinduism is in fact Pagan and Polytheistic, although there have been attempts to make it sound somehow essentially monotheistic, especially since contact with Islam and Christianity, and even more so during English occupation and the rest of the 20th century. I think Danielou's commentary applies well to contemporary Neopaganism in general.

    Chapter 1: The Theory of Polytheism

    The Language of Symbols
    (p. 3) In Hindu cosmological theory, symbolism is conceived as the expression of a reality, as a search for the particular points where different worlds meet and where the relation between entities belonging to different orders of things may become apparent.

    According to the Hindu view, all the aspects of the manifest world spring from similar principles - have, we might say, a common ancestry. There is of necessity some sort of equivalence between sounds, forms, numbers, colors, ideas, as there is also between the abstractions of the subtle and transcendent worlds on one side and the forms of the perceptible universe on the other.

    ...True symbolism, far from being (p. 4) invented by man, springs from Nature itself. The whole of Nature is but the symbol of a higher reality.

    What we picture as the aspects of divinity are essentially the abstract prototypes of the forms of the manifest world. These must, by their very nature, have equivalents in all the aspects of the perceptible universe. Each divine aspect thus may appear to us as having affinities with some particular form, number, color, plant, animal, part of the body, vital energy, particular moments of the cycles of the day, of the year, of aeons, particular constellations, sounds, rhythms, etc.

    The conception of the Hindu pantheon and its iconographical theory are based on the belief that such affinities exist. Thus an aspect of divinity can be represented and worshiped in forms which are extremely diverse and yet strictly equivalent, such as a mental figuration, a geometrical diagram (yantra), an anthropomorphic image (murti), a spoken formula (mantra), a particular human being (mother, teacher, etc.), a particular fruit, an animal, a mineral, etc. Any of these forms can be used indifferently as a support through which ritual or meditation can reach the Principle of which they are the images, the manifest aspects.

    The Representation of the Transcendent
    All religions, all religious philosophies, are ultimately attempts at finding out the nature of the perceptible world - and of ourselves who perceive it - the process of the world's manifestation, and the purpose of life, so that we may discover the means of fulfilling our destiny. All mythologies are ways of representing transcendent or suprahuman states of Being conceived as deities or perceived as symbols.

    Some ancient Hindu sages discovered that, through the diversity of our facilities and of our senses, and according to the postulates or methods we are ready to accept, we can find different channels through which to conduct our investigation into the extrasensorial world. Each of these channels, leading into distant spheres, has narrow limits, has its own distinct charcteristics and methods. Each may bring us to conclusions that appear different from those arrived at through other channels.

    (p. 5) ...Whenever he carries any form of experience to its farthest limit, man has a glimpse of an unknowable "Beyond" which he calls divinity. This divinity cannot be grasped nor understood, for it begins where understanding fails, yet it can be approached from many sides; any attempt at understanding its nature can merely be called a "near approach"...We can only point to the necessity for a substratum, we never experience it directly, although it is ever near; for, at the limit of each form of experience, we apprehend some aspect of it. The more we can seize of the different aspects of the phenomenal world, often apparently contradictory, through which the Divine may be approached, the more we came near to a general, a "real," insight into the mysterious entity we call God...

    ...The apparent contradiction between the transcendent forms glimpsed through the diverse means of approach is really the key to the comprehension of the "Immense" reality, which can never be grasped as a whole. Thus divinity has been defined as "that in which opposites coexist." The more insights we can get, the more aspects of the Divine we can perceive, the more we see of divinities beyond the different aspects of the universe, the more elements we can assemble to build up some conception of the origin of things, of the destiny and purpose of life, the nearer we are to understanding something of what divinity is.

    ...It is only through the multiplicity of approaches that we can draw a sort of outline of what transcendent reality may be. The multiple manifested entities that underlie existing form alone are within the reach of our understanding. Any conception we may have of something beyond will be a mental projection, an imaginary link established between various perceptible data.

    (p. 6) Hindu philosophy studies the mystery of the universe from three main outlooks. They are: (1) the experimental outlook ... and its corroborating method, logic, ... which envisages the "impermanent" or destructible form of things; (2) the cosmological outlook... and its corroborating method, direct supramental perception, [such as] Yoga, which studies the "enduring" or permanent laws of things; and (3) the metaphysical outlook...and its corroborating method, the dialectic and semantic study of language, which tries to grasp the nature of the changeless substratum of all forms and laws. ...when studying the nature of the Cosmic Being, ... these three approaches refer to the three orders of manifestation: the "Destructible [Being]"... or the perceptible universe, the "Indestructible [Being]"... or the body of permanent laws which which rule manifestation, and the "Changeless [Being]"... , the unmanifest substratum of existence beyond cause and effect.

    It will make us ponder over the nature of transcendent reality to discover that, according to their own logic and their means of proof, some of the "points of view"... must be atheistic, others pantheistic, others deistic, moralistic, mystical. Yet we should not hastily conclude that these are the conflicting beliefs of philosophers. They are only the logical conclusions drawn from the premises and reached through the methods acceptable to each approach, each "point of view." Each one is real within its own field and aims toward the utmost limit of the reach of our faculties in a particular direction...

    The Nondual Principle
    A supreme cause has to be beyond number, otherwise Number would be the First Cause. But the number one, although it has peculiar properties, is a number like two, or three, or ten, or a million. If "God" is one he is not beyond number any more than if he is two or three or ten or a million. But although a million is not any nearer to infinity than one or two or ten, it seems to be so from the limited point of view of our perceptions. (p. 7) And we may be nearer to a mental representation of divinity when we consider an immense number of different gods than when we try to stress their unity; for the number one is in a way the number farthest removed from infinity.

    ...To speak of the manifest form of a unique God implies a confusion between different orders. God manifest cannot be one, nor can the number one apply to an unmanifest causal aspect. At no stage can unity be taken as the cause of anything, since the existence implies a relation and unity would mean existence without relation.

    Though, in its manifest form, divinity is of necessity multiple, in its ultimate essence it cannot be said to be either one or many. It cannot be in any way defined. Divinity is represented as that which remains when the reality of all that can be percieved has been denied...nothing the mind can know or words can express. We cannot say that it is one, yet we can say that it is not-one, not-two, not-many ...a non-dual principle ...existing beyond all the forms of manifest divinity...

    Nonduality, the essence of the unmanifest, cannot exist on the manifest plane. Although the doctrine of nonduality is kept as the goal of our efforts toward realization, this goal is ever beyond our reach. It is on a plane different from that of existence and is in no way real from the point of view of manifestation. We cannot imagine, we cannot name, we cannot describe the nondual Immensity... It is a mere abstraction which cannot act nor be experienced or propitiated. It can therefore have nothing whatever to do with any form of worship, of religion, of morality, or of mystical experience.

    Existence is multiplicity. That which is not multiple does not exist. We may conceive of an underlying, all-pervading continuum, but it remains shape-(p. 8)less, without quality, impersonal, nonexistent. From the moment we envisage divinity in a personal form, or we attribute to it any quality, that divinity belongs to the multiple, it cannot be one; for there must be an entity embodying the opposite of its quality, a form complementary to its form, other deities.

    Whenever we imagine a god, personify him, picture him, pray to him, worship him, this god, of necessity, is but one among many. Whenever we call him "the one God" we do not raise his status, but merely blind ourselves to other realities. We do not come in any way nearer to the nondual Immensity... In that sense, any form of monotheism takes man away from the path of knowledge and realization, substituting a simple but inaccurate postulate for the attempt to understand the divine multiplicity.

    The gods are but the representations of the causal energies from which each aspect of the subtle and visible worlds is derived... Each of these [deities] manifests itself in a particular aspect of the perceptible universe, or if we start our investigation from the perceptible end, each deity appears as a subtle entity presiding over the functioning of one aspect of the universe.

    In truth, these divine aspects, which, from the point of view of man, seem more or less remote, may appear, from the point of view of divinity, as the mere modalities of the same essence... from the point of view of existence it is the divine multiplicity, not the unity, which is the source of the universe and the source of knowledge as well as the means of reintegration.

    Monotheism and Polytheism
    In our time monotheism is often considered a higher form of religion than polytheism... (p. 9) Individual monotheistic worshipers, however, usually worship a particularized form of their god and not his causal, unmanifest, formless aspect. There is a nearness, a response, in the formal aspect which is lacking in the abstract conception. But a causal, formless, all-pervading divinity, cause and origin of all forms, cannot be manifest in a particular form and would of necessity be equally at the root of all types of form. Divinity can only be reached through its manifestations, and there are as many gods as there are aspects of creation. The gods and the universe are two aspects - the conscious powers and the unconscious forms - of an indefinite multiplicity.

    In the polytheistic religion each individual worshiper has a chosen deity... and does not usually worship other gods in the same way as his own, as the one he feels nearer to himself. Yet he acknowledges other gods... He knows that ultimate Being or non-Being is ever beyond his grasp, beyond existence, and in no way can be worshiped or prayed to. Since he realizes that other deities are but other aspects of the one he worships, he is basically tolerant and must be ready to accept every form of knowledge or belief as potentially valid.

    From the vast and solid basis for experiences formed by the multiplicity of divine manifestation the polytheist can rise toward the goal beyond reach that is nondualism and toward the illusion of an ultimate identification. At every step he finds within the multiplicity a lesser degree of differentiation suitable to his stage of development as he travels from the outward forms of ritual and morality toward the more abstract aspects of knowledge and nonaction. These are outwardly represented by different groups of static symbols, that is, deities, and active symbols, that is rites. The seeker chooses at each stage the deities and rites which are within his reach as he progresses on the path that leads toward liberation.

    During the pilgrimage of life he goes from one temple to another, adopts different forms of ritual, different modes of living, and various means of self-development. He is constantly aware of the coexistence of different approaches to divinity, suitable for people at stages of realization different from his own.

    It is considerably more difficult, within a monotheist creed, for an individual to establish the hierarchy of his attitudes to divinity at different stages of his de-(p. 10)velopment; and it is almost impossible for him not to mix planes and methods, for relative truth is different at each stage and yet its thorough understanding is essential if a particular stage is to be outgrown.

    Since he cannot see clearly side by side, illustrated in different symbols, in different cults or philosophies - and in the attitude of their followers - the different stages of his own development, past as well as future, any attempt at looking beyond the limits of his creed makes the monotheist lose his balance. It is because of this precarious equilibrium that, in monotheist creeds, we find so little room between proselytizing and irreligion, so little place for tolerance, so little respect or mode of thought, or worship, or behavior different from the "norm." The monotheist, as a rule, confuses the religious and the moral planes, conventional practices with self-development. He mixes up faith with proselytism, mystical emotion with spiritual progress.

    The man who finds himself at a stage of development different from that for which a given [monotheistic] system was devised has hardly any alternative but to abandon it, which often means, if he has no contact with other religious forms, abandoning religion and spiritual search altogether or devising some system of his own unlikely to lead him toward modes of thought and understanding of which he has not already an idea.

    Monotheism is always linked with a culture, a civilization. It is not through its forms but in spite of them that gifted individuals may reach spiritual attainment ... monotheism is the projection of the human individuality into the cosmic sphere, the shaping of "god" to the image of man. Hence the monotheist commonly visualized his "god" as an anthropomorphic entity who shares his habits, patronizes his customs, and acts according to his ideals. Religion becomes a means of glorifying his culture or his race, or of expanding his influence... We can see all monotheistic religions fighting to impose their god and destroy other gods as if God were not one as they claim. Monotheism is basically the absolute exaltation of the worshiper's own deity over all other aspects of the Divine, all other gods, who must be considered false and dangerous. The very notion of a false god is, however, an obvious fallacy. If there is an all-powerful, all-pervading divinity, how can there be a false god? How can we worship anything that is not Him? Whatever form we try to worship, the worship ultimately goes to Him who is everything...

    (p. 11) Monotheism thus appears to be the opposite of nondualism, which might as well be called nonmonism, and which leads to the conception of an all-pervading - that is, from the point of view of our perceptions, an infinitely multiple - divinity.

    Nondualism and Monism
    The term "nondualism" has proved, in many instances, to be a dangerous one, since it can easily be thought to rest on a monistic concept. The Hindu philosophical schools which made an extensive use of this term opened the way for religious monism, which is always linked with humanism that makes of "man" the center of the universe and of "god" the projection of the human ego into the cosmic sphere...

    In the general picture of later Hinduism an exaggerated importance has been attributed to some philosophical schools of monistic Hinduism which developed mainly under the impact of Islamic and Christian influences and which aim at reinterpreting Vedic texts in a new light.

    The Equivalence of Religions
    The classification of the basic energies, of which the cosmological pantheon is an expression, is not an arbitrary creation of the mind but a rational effort to define the component elements of existence. As is the case for any form of knowledge, the classifications first chosen in a particular country or time may have been inadequate, they may constitute a first working hypothesis which can be perfected through deeper insight or later experience, or they may have defined all the essentials from the start. The only important thing, how-(p. 12)ever, is the nature of the permanent realities that these classifications try to represent. This is the story of every science, of every philosophy, of all the ancient religions...

    Hindu mythology acknowledges all gods. Since all the energies at the origin of all the forms of manifestation are but aspects of the divine power, there can exist no object, no form of existence, which is not divine in its nature. Any name, any shape, that appeals to the worshiper can be taken as a representation or manifestation of divinity...

    Many of the deities worshiped by the Hindus are not mentioned in the Vedas under their present names, and many Vedic gods are today known mostly to scholars. But it would be wrong to see a change in religion or a deviation from the Vedic idea of divinity in what is merely a matter of fashion, a way of representing the Divine that suited a particular time or country, a particular set of habits, or a dfferent conception of the universe. The gods are universal principles; they are all pervading realities. The words or forms we use to represent them are mere approximations, which can vary like the words of different languages used to represent the same object or like the different symbols used to represent the same mathematical facts.

    All religions are based on the recognition of the existence of a suprasensorial reality. Very rarely can we find in any religion a positive assertion which is not to some extent justifiable. Error and conflict arise from exclusion, from negative elements. They appear whenever the door is closed to new discoveries, to the "revelation" of a new age. A religion reduced to a faith centered around fixed dogmas and refusing to equate its data with those of other creeds is... (p. 13) the mere practical utilization of some elements of knowledge accidentally assembled and used more for social supremacy than for real [understanding]. This remains very short of the total search for the whole of truth. Thus, in many countries, the man of science, if he be true to himself, finds he has had to choose between reason and faith. This dilemma does not arise for the *Hindu*, for *Hinduism* does not claim any of its discoveries to be more than an approach. It rejects all dogma, all belief that reason and experience cannot justify; it remains ever ready to accept new and better expressions of the universl laws as they can be grasped through individual experience...

    ...the principle of a multiple approach, the recognition of the fundamental rights of the individual to follow his own gods, his own code of behaviour and ritual practice, has spared *India* so far the standardization of beliefs which is by its very nature the greatest obstacle on the path of Divine discovery.

    [*NOTE*: "Neopagan" and "Neopaganism" can substitute for "Hindu" and "Hinduism" in the penultimate paragraph, and "Neopaganism" for "India" in the last paragraph, because i think that Danielou's description suits contemporary Neopaganism, for the most part.]

    Excepted from:
    The Gods of India: Hindu Polytheism by Alain Danielou
    Chapter One, The Theory of Polytheism, pp. 3-13
    Inner Traditions International Ltd. New York: 1985
    Text and translation copyright 1985 by Alain Danielou
    First published as Hindu Polytheism by Bollingen Foundation, New York 1964
    ISBN 0-89281-101-3

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