R. Furuli, Vol. 2 Chronology Book and the Kandalanu Saturn Tablet

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  • JCanon
    JCanon

    SATURN TABLET ASSESSMENT UPDATE:

    Now that it is apparent the Saturn tablet is a mere updated revision, it shows how extensively the revisions were made during the Seleucid Period to align the new chronology and timeline. Ptolemy merely had access to these revised records and helped to preserve these revisions. Modern chronologists and scholars, finding something "specific" presumed these were legitimate references and took it from there.

    But from a Biblical chronology challenge point of view, since these were "copies" some 200-300 years after the fact with a critical absence of any of the original texts to cross-check with for this period, dating in these texts are automatically presumed to be revised; why else would they be copying these texts at such a late period. This would especially be the presumption if there were other indications of revisionism, such as contradiction with other timelines, such as from the Bible.

    Of course, we know enough about the two-phase revisionism to confirm that the final dating and timeline was not established until the time of Xenophon who made the final revisions by 358 BCE. That is, 30 years were added to the reign of Darius I compensated by 26-years removed from the Neo-Babylonian Period. This meant Darius survived his own death at Marathon but Herodotus links him to that event by a cryptic reference about a soldier with a huge beard that covered his shield present at Marathon, clearly a reference to Darius. But Herodotus also notes an eclipse that occurred in the spring 10 years later when Xerxes invaded Greece. That eclipse occurs in 424 BCE, which proves Herodotus' history reflected the first-phase revision only, with chronology back in sync again by 424 BCE. But once a detailed history of the Peloponnesian War was published by Thucydides, with references to when the war occurred in relation to Persian historical events, it was clear that Artaxerxes' rule of 41 years overlapped that of Xerxes. This would not have occurred had Artaxerxes, who ruled first 21 years as "Xerxes" had limited his rulership to just 20 years for "Artaxerxes" and 21 years for "Xerxes". But Artaxerxes claimed his full 41 years following a separate 21-year rule for Xerxes. Therefore, the Jewish-advised Persians needed to do something about Thucydides' history. They had enough money to buy up all the handwritten copies, of course, and suppress the work, but apparently hired Greek proto-Persian writer-historian Thucydides to expand the Greek Period to accommodate the Persian expansion. He was able to do this by only revising the last 7 years of the history of Thucydides, which of course, vanished in all later copies. As far as the timeline goes, he added an extra 30 years between the Persian and Peloponnesian Wars, creating a 50-year gap there. A famous eclipse event that occurred during the first year of the war but also the first year of Olympic cycle found a substitute in 431 BCE, so the beginning of the war was moved back 28 years from 403 BCE to 431 BCE. This created some loose ends, however. For instance, part of the folklore of Plato was that he was consulted during the first year of the war to try to solve a mathematical problem presented at Delos to try to double the size of a cube in order to stop the spread of the plague that had broken out. (Google "The Delian Problem") Of course, Plato was 25 years old in 403 BCE but not born yet in 431 BCE, the new date of the war.

    The Olympic cycle forced some adjustment as well. The 28-year solar eclipse manipulation combined with the 30-year expansion between the Persian and PPW amounted to a gross 58-year adjustment. Problem is, 50 is not divisible by 4. It was so well established that the Battle of Salamis occurred during an Olympic year that it forced an adjustment of 2 years. That is, 50 + 432 BCE dates Xerxes' invasion and the Battle of Salamis to 482 BCE, which is not an Olympic year. So that got adjusted down to 480 BCE. So even though the PPW is dated to 431 BCE and it is stated that there is a 50-year interval between the two wars, it really is only 48 years (48 + 432 = 480 BCE). This is also why you have that 2-year problem with the dating for the 1st of Cyrus (539 vs 537 BCE).

    Needless to say, these 58 years were unadjusted by the NB records and so the entire timeline got pushed back by 58 years from the time of Cyrus all the way back to the time of the Exodus. But since the revised NB timeline combined the events of what happened during the accession year of Nebuchadnezzar with his 1st year, the actual events were a year off. That's why some records show, for instance, Jerusalem falling in year 19 and others in year 18. Even Josephus reflects that discrepancy. But that meant the mean adjustment for the time of Nebuchadnezzar was only 57 years. Since 57 years is divisible by 19, the length of the lunisolar cycle, just by coincidence the lunar positions for the reign of Nebuchadnezzar in both the revised and original chronologies were quite similar, with lunar positions within a day or two of each other. That's what gave the revisionists recopying old astronomy references with the new timeline applied the idea of hiding original lunar positions in a text otherwise representing the revised date. Thus the VAT4956 contains already noted "errors" in lines 3 and 14 that do not match 568 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, but they do match lunar positions 57 years later from the original dating in 511 BCE. Of course, 511 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar agrees with the Biblical absolute dating for the 1st of Cyrus falling in 455 BCE. Hardly a coincidence! Thanks to the VAT4956, therefore, and also the Saturn text, we know how extensively and meticulously these revised astronomical texts were being pursued to help "legitimize" the revisions made by Xenophon, which is quite ingenius. At this point, of course, it likely was a political decision or a financial decision. Whomever had the most money and power could control the history. Further, since Xerxes/Artaxerxes was such a favorite king for the Jews, the Jews aggressively helped protect Artaxerxes' old identity and this farce against the Greeks by re-writing their own history for the period in the form of the apocryphal Book of Esdras, which removes the history of Nehemiah in connection with Artaxerxes and only relates that part of the history of Nehemiah and Ezra when they first returned from Babylon. That's because with the additional years for the Persian Period, Nehemiah would have been over 143 years old to live down into the reign of Darius II if he were at least 30 years of age at the time he returned from Babylon. When these extra years are removed, Nehemiah survives Xerxes (who died at age 59) at 89 years rather than 140+ years.

    We also got a lucky break in the chronology because of the varying methods of beginning the new year. It is now seems confirmed from the records that while there was a general practice at times to consistently begin the new year after the spring equinox, this was not always the practice. The revision offset by the beginning of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II was now 56 years. A critical eclipse event mentioned in the Assyrian eponym, a solar eclipse occurring in month 3, and originally dated to 709 BCE, found an alternative in 763 BCE, 54 years earlier. That meant only a 2-year adjustment which was negligible. The 763 BCE eclipse and the 709 BCE eclipse fall in the exeligmos pattern of eclipses that occur every 54 years and 1 month later in the same region (approximately 11-13 latitudinal degrees more northerly each cycle). Here is the predictable eclipse pattern for that series.

    The three eclipses in the series that would have occurred in Assyria would have been 817 (50% lower) 763 (100% mid) and 709 (50% upper). Because the eclipses recur in a regular interval by location it meant you could predict the location and time of the next eclipse in the series if you experienced the total lunar eclipse track (about 93 miles wide). That points to the 709 BCE eclipse as the ones the Assyrians would have focussed on as a predictable event since the 763 BCE eclipse was total in their region. This would explain why an astronomical event spilled over into the narrative history of the eponym since a predictable solar eclipse, perhaps the very first one, would have been a major social event. At any rate, the 709 BCE eclipse for month 3 began at the customary time where the year began after the vernal equinox. The previous eclipse in the series dated to month 2 (763 BCE) could also be dated to month 3 if the alternative method of beginning the new year prior to the equinox was employed. So, therefore, there was no need to remove this astronomical reference. It was an original reference that could be left in place even though there was a 56-year distortion in the timeline from the NB Period. So it is of NOTE that either 709 BCE or 763 BCE fit this eclipse occurring in month 3; however, the 763 BCE follows the less customary practice of beginning the new year early, whereas 709 BCE follows the more traditional dating pattern. Furthermore, the 709 BCE eclipse could have been easily predicted based upon the 763 BCE eclipse where astronomers in Assyria experienced the precise location of totality. That would explain why this eclipse was even mentioned in the eponym. So that's two circumstantial reasons to prefer the 709BCE eclipse for dating the Assyrian Period than the substitute dating now used of 763 BCE. It's not entirely accurate to quote from Wikipedia, but it has already been noticed that the 763 BCE doesn't follow what has been considered as the usual customary dating:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/760s_BC

    "June 15, 763 BC - A solar eclipse at this date (in month Sivan) is used to fix the chronology of the Ancient Near East. However, it should be noted that it requires Nisan 1 to fall on March 20, 763 BC, which was 8 to 9 days before the vernal equinox (March 28/29 at that time) and Babylonians never started their calendar year before the spring equinox. Main article: Assyrian eclipse"

    The statement above is not accurate, since we know sometimes the Babylonian years did, indeed, at one period begin the year earlier than the spring equinox. However, it is not clear this practice occurred in Assyria during the time of the 709 and 763 BCE eclipses. One source claimed that the early dating didn't show up until late in the Assyrian Period and the practice of beginning the year after the equinox was consistent practice in earlier times. If this can be confirmed then the 763 BCE eclipse would be considered a misdated event; which, of course, we know it is per the Biblical timeline.

    Also, though, we get a break from RC14 dating at Rehov which contradicts the revised timeline. That scientific dating, which is fairly independent, it just gives us the best scientific age for grains burned at the time of Shishak's invasion, matches dates that are 54 years earlier and contradicts the 54-year distortion for this event based upon the Greco-Persian Period revisions:

    http://www.geocities.com/ed_maruyama/rehov872.html

    So finally, there is some type of totally independent scientific dating available that if it had contradicted the Bible, would have been used against the Bible. In fact, generally the archaeological dating for the time of David and Solomon are used to claim these kings were myths. Problem is, that works with the general dating. But Rehov's dating is so specific it shows up the contradiction to not just the Solomonic dating but contradicts the Assyrian dates upon which the Solomon dates are based, all based on the misdated 763 BCE eclipse. But if you use the 709 BCE eclipse, then the scientific dating and astro-dating completely agree. That is, the RC14 dating points to 871 BCE for Shishak's invasion as the mid-point of the RC14 range (917-823BCE). That is precisely the date for that event when 455 BCE falls in the 1st of Cyrus. But the revised dating based upon the 763 BCE eclipse dates Shishak's invasion 54 years earlier to 925 BCE, and it falls outside the peak RC14 dating range as noted in the chart below. Note the RED markers are mine. (See above for the original, unedited chart).

    FINALLY, the fact that it is clear such meticulous efforts were made to create voluminous astrotext documents representing the revised chronology, it makes it reasonable to assume any other texts that might have exposed the revisions would have been either destroyed or better yet revised. That includes some of the business documents that reflect the revised chronology like the Egibi documents put forth by CO Jonsson. Any documents reflecting the revised timeline currently in place had to be revised during the Seleucid Period or late Persian Period during the rule of Artaxerxes II, who, incidentally got an extension of his reign of 30 years from 17, making him the longest ruling Persian king at 47 years, and not a thing is really known about him for all that rule. That's because it was fabricated. Artaxerxes II was behind the revisions by Xenophon so it would seem Xenophon threw him a bone (or was it a "boner"?) by making him the longest ruling Persian king. All these revised documents from the wrong period, therefore, are no challenge to the Bible's timeline which has to use 455 BCE for the 1st of Cyrus as a pivotal date, supplemented now, fortunately, by the VAT4956 evidence of the original chronology for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar in 511 BCE. The straightforward nature of the Saturn tablet for dating the rule of Kandalanu shows how extensively the revisions were pursued, even though, given the choice to simply destroy all these ancient texts or revise them, revising them made more sense when it was practical.

    THANKS to all for the specific references! It's always better not to guess or presume when there is an opportunity to be specific based upon actual records.

    JCanon

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly
    As far as trying to move this to 599, I think you missed my point.

    OK. Sorry.

    (I can't read the rest of your stuff or my head will implode. Something to do with cranial capacity apparently.)

  • JosephMalik
  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Thanks, Joseph, for this link. I figured COJ would come out and dismiss Furuli's attempt at redating the VAT4956. But it's still a tangled web, with enough near-matches, especially with lunar references to get it to point to likely any number of years. Why COJ didn't focus on specific positions for Mars, Saturn and the other planets that could only match 568BCE I'm not sure. It is actually the planetary and not the lunar observations that truly lock in the dating.

    Here's his discussion:

    Posted by COJ on Sat - Dec 1 - 04:56am:


    A MISTAKEN ATTEMPT TO REDATE THE LUNAR DATA ON THE ASTRONOMICAL DIARY VAT 4956

    On the back cover of his book, Assyrian, Babylonian and Egyptian Chronology. Volume II of Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and Persian Chronology Compared with the Chronology of the Bible (Oslo: Awatu Publishers, 2007), The Watchtower apologist Rolf Furuli states that the conclusion of his study is that “the lunar data on the tablet [VAT 4956] better fit 588 than 568 B.C.E., and that this is the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar II.”

    VAT 4956 is an astronomical cuneiform tablet (an astronomical “diary”) that records the positions of the moon and the five planets visible to the naked eye observed during the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar. About 30 of these records are so well preserved that they can be checked by modern computations. These computations have confirmed that the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar corresponds to year 568/567 BCE (spring-to-spring).

    So what about Rolf Furuli’s claim that the lunar data “better fit 588 than 568 B.C.E.”? A careful examination of all the legible lunar positions recorded on this astronomical “diary” proves that this claim is false. Almost none of the lunar positions recorded on VAT 4956 fit the year 588/587 BCE, while nearly all of them excellently correspond to lunar positions in the year 568/567 BCE.

    On the obverse, line 17, VAT 4956 states that on day 15 of month III (Simanu) there was a “lunar eclipse that was omitted”. The phrase refers to an eclipse that had been calculated in advance to be invisible from the Babylonian horizon.

    On page 126 Furuli explains that he has used this eclipse record as the “point of departure” for mapping “the regnal years, the intercalary months, and the beginning of each month in the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II, both from the point of view that 568/67 and 588/87 B.C.E. represent his year 37.”

    In the traditional date for the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, this eclipse can easily be identified with the eclipse of July 4, 568 (Julian calendar). Thus the Babylonian date, the 15th of month III, corresponds to July 4, 568 BCE. From that date we may count backward to the 1st of month III, which then must have been June 20/21 (sunset to sunset), 568. As the tablet further shows that the preceding Month II (Ayyaru) had 29 days and Month I (Nisannu) 30 days, it is easy to figure out that the 1st of Ayyaru fell on May 22/23, 568, and the 1st of Nisannu (i.e., the 1st day of year 37) on April 22/23, 568 BCE.

    On moving back 20 years to 588/87 BCE – the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar in Furuli’s alternative “Oslo Chronology” – we find that in this year, too, there was a lunar eclipse that could not be seen from the Babylonian horizon. It took place on July 15, 588 BCE. According to Furuli this is the eclipse that VAT 4956 dates to the 15th of month III (Simanu). Reckoning backwards from July 15, Furuli dates the 1st of month III to June 30, 588; the 1st of month II (Ayyaru) to June 1, 588, and the 1st of month I (Nisannu) to May 1 (in his discussions and/or calculations he is inconsistently alternating between May 1, May 2, and May 3).

    There are a number of problems with Furuli’s dates. The first one is that the first day of the Babylonian year, Nisannu 1, never began as late as in May! As shown by the tables on pages 27-47 in R. A. Parker & W. H. Dubberstein’s Babylonian Chronology (Brown Univeristy Press, 1956), the 1st of Nisannu never once in the 700-year period covered (626 BCE – CE 75) began as late as in May. The same holds true of the subsequent months: the 1st of Ayyaru never began as late as on June 1, and the 1st of Simanu never began as late as on June 30. For this reason alone the lunar eclipse that VAT 4956 dates to the 15th of month III cannot be that of July 15, 588 BCE! This eclipse must have fallen in the center of month IV in the Babylonian calendar. Furuli’s “point of departure” for his “Oslo Chronology,” therefore, is quite clearly wrong.

    Very interestingly, the lunar eclipse of July 15, 588 BCE was recorded by the Babylonians on another cuneiform tablet, BM 38462, No. 1420 in A. Sachs’ LBAT catalogue and No. 6 in H. Hunger’s ADT V (Astronomical Diaries and Related Texts from Babylonia, Vol. V, 2001). I discussed this tablet on pages 180-182 of my book, The Gentile Times Reconsidered (3rd ed. 1998, 4th ed. 2004). The chronological strength of this tablet is just as decisive as that of VAT 4956. It contains annual eclipse reports dating from the 1st to at least the 29th regnal year of Nebuchadnezzar (604/604 – 576/575 BCE). The preserved parts of the tablet contain as many as 37 records of eclipses from those 29 years, 22 of which were predicted, 14 observed, and one that is uncertain.

    The entry containing the record of the July 15, 588 BCE eclipse (obverse, lines 16-18) is dated to year 17, not year 37, of Nebuchadnezzar! This entry reports two lunar eclipses in this year, one “omitted” and one observed. The first, “omitted” one, which refers to the eclipse of July 15, 588, is dated to month IV (Duzu), not to month III (Simanu). So this eclipse cannot be the one dated to month III on VAT 4956. That this eclipse really is the one of July 15, 588 is confirmed by the detailed information given about the second, observed lunar eclipse, which is dated to month X (Tebetu) of year 17. The details about time and magnitude help to identify this eclipse beyond all reasonable doubts. The whole entry reads, according to H. Hunger’s translation in ADT V, page 29:

    “[Year] 17, Month IV, [omitted.]
    [Month] X, the 13th, morning watch, 1 beru 5o [before sunrise?]
    All of it was covered. [It set eclips]ed.”

    The second eclipse in month X – six months after the first – took place on January 8, 587 BCE. This date, therefore, corresponds to the 13th of month X in the Babylonian calendar. This agrees with Parker & Dubberstein’s tables, which show that the 1st of month X (Tebetu) fell on 26/27 December in 588 BCE. The Babylonians divided the 24-hour day into 12 beru or 360 USH (degrees), so one beru was two hours and 5 degrees (of four minutes each) was 20 minutes. The eclipse, therefore, began 2 hours and 20 minutes before sunrise. It was total (“All of it was covered”), and it “[set eclips]ed,” i.e., it ended after moonset. What do modern computations of this eclipse show?

    My astroprogram shows that the eclipse of January 8, 587 BCE began “in the morning watch” at 04:51, and that sunrise occurred at 07:12. The eclipse, then, began 2 hours and 21 minutes before sunrise – exactly as the tablet says. The difference of one minute is not real, as the USH (time degree of 4 minutes) was the shortest time unit of the Babylonians. The totality began at 05:53 and ended at 07:38. As moonset occurred at 07:17 according to my program, the eclipse was still total at moonset. Thus the moon “set while eclipsed.”

    Furuli attempts to dismiss the enormous weight of evidence provided by this tablet in just a few very confusing statements on page 127 of his book. He erroneously claims that the many eclipses recorded “occurred in the month before they were expected, except in one case where the eclipse may have occurred two months before.” There is not the slightest truth in this statement. Both the predicted and the observed eclipses agree with modern computations.

    Carl

    Though I basically agree with Carl, there is a slight problem of timing with this eclipse. The actual text does not say "was omitted" but actually omits the word "DIB" in association with this eclipse...

    The transliteration is here:

    http://becomingone.org/vat4956translit.htm

    The translation is "A lunar eclipse that was omitted" but the actual transliteration is "AN-KU sin sa DIB...[broken]

    DIB is an actual location, DIB meaning to the right upper quadrant. Thus DIB is not translated. And there is no reference to "not seen" as some texts indicate when an eclipse is not seen. But that's another issue for the VAT4956. You see, the VAT4956 was likely the first astronomical text created during the Seleucid Period. When it was created the lunar positions were some 13.5 hours earlier than in later texts like the SK400. Furthermore, the Rear Foot of the Lion (GIR ar sa UR-A) is a reference to sigma-Leonis in the VAT4956 which later became beta-Virginis in later Seleucid texts. If we take that to mean a revision in the lunar times as well as the history, then it's possible that the 568BCE eclipse reference was for an observed eclipse that year, and the DIB reference indicating the eclipse exited in the upper right quadrant of the moon.

    A brief write-up of this had already been prepared:

    Again, a quadrant location would not have been included in the text unless the eclipse had been observed. Question is, though, was it observed or not?

    Here is the end of the eclipse....

    Why would the VAT4956 include a POSITION REFERENCE OF "DIB" for an eclipse that was not seen? Further, how is it they were able to predict the quadrant in which the eclipse would have ended?

    In the meantime the comparison below demonstrates two eclipses adjusted to the original chronology dates and time. This is the adjustment applied to the above 568BCE eclipse with an 11-minute Delta adjustment for 541 vs 568 BCE.

    http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/479x541J.JPG

    CONCLUSION: Just because Furuli finds some coincidental matchup lunar references in the VAT4956 for the date he wants to promote as year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, 20 years earlier than the 568 BCE dating, doesn't mean all is well with the VAT4956 references, especially as far as specific eclipse times, with the VAT4956 varying strategically from later astronomical texts created during the Seleucid Period, including the SK400, whose redating to 541 BCE suggests the corrected lunar eclipse times.

    In my recharting of the entire text with an astronomy program, all references except two match 568 BCE. The two "errors" already noted in the text do match to the same lunar cycle and date to 511 BCE. When 511 BCE is used to date year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar then it matches the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE as the Bible requires.

    JCanon

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Carl has an article on this at well at:

    http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=Main&mode=Current&message=25147

    Thanks Joseph. As usual, an excellent synopsis of some of the main problems with Furuli's theory.

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