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  • MadApostate

    "Adultresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God."-James 4:4

    "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of he world."-John 17:16


    In consideration of these scriptures often quoted by the WTS, what is the legitimate reason for the following situations?


    Here is the link to the previous thread which shows the WTS participating in a International Conference relating to Holocaust Reparations, as well as their later efforts to obtain some of the $$$$$, not only for JW survivors, but also for the WTS itself:

    . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14105&site=3

  • MadApostate

    The 30th Annual Scholar's Conference On the Holocaust and the Churches

    . http://www.sju.edu/events/scholars_conference/2000/schedule.htm

    Schedule Excerpt:


    3B Turning to Others

    Jolene Chu, Watch Tower Society (Brooklyn, NY). Comfort and Commiseration: Interweaving Narratives of Intergroup Encounters

    Peter Hoffmann, McGill University (Montreal, Quebec). German Resistance and the Jews

    Michael B. Lukens, St. Norbert College (De Pere, WI). From Theological Idealism to Ecclesiastical Realism - Von Galen and the Dilemma of Catholic Resistance

    Bat-Ami Zucker, Bar-Ilan University (Ramat Gan, Israel). In Search of Refuge - Jews and US Consuls in Nazi Germany, 1933 - 1941

    Chair: Owen W. Gilman, Saint Joseph's University

  • MadApostate

    The 31th Annual Scholar's Conference On the Holocaust and the Churches

    . http://www.sju.edu/events/scholars_conference/schedule.htm

    Schedule Excerpt:


    "Confronting Complicity"

    Martin Rumscheidt, – Convener – Atlantic School of Theology (Halifax, Nova Scotia)

    Lead Discussants:

    Jolene Chu, Watch Tower Society (Brooklyn, NY)

    Wayne Floyd, Jr., Lutheran Theological Seminary (Philadelphia, PA)

    Barbara Green, Peace & Justice Desk – Presbyterian Church USA (Louisville KY)

    Richard Rubenstein, University of Bridgeport (Bridgeport, CT)

    Luise Schottroff, Pacific School of Religion (Berkeley, CA)

  • MadApostate

    The 34TH World Congress of the
    International Institute of Sociology

    July 11-15, 1999

    . http://spirit.tau.ac.il/soc/IIS99/iis5/finalpro.html

    Schedule Excerpts:


    The Meanings and Memory of the Holocaust for Non-Jews (I) (201)

    Chair: Aliza Kolker (USA)

    Jolene Chu (USA): Purple Triangles - Witnesses to the Shoah

    Richard Hitchens (Canada): Virtual Nazi Concentration Camps - Using the Internet for Promoting Holocaust Awareness and for Combating Holocaust Denial

    Ester Golan (Israel): Who will be the Voice of the Future?

    Sharon P. Rivo (USA): Individuals Who Made a Difference: Film Resources

  • Norm

    Hi MadApostate,

    Some time ago I wrote about this phenomenon:


    Shameless Exploitation of Tragic Deaths

    Ever since World War II the Watchtower Society has tried to make the most out of the tragic deaths of 635 Witnesses in Hitlers camps and prisons, before and during the war.

    Apparently dissatisfied with the number of dead, they have contiguously tried to increase the figures all the time, ever since. The thought behind this seem to be that only 635 dead isn’t quite sufficient to create the right amount of goodwill, they so sorely need.

    Anyone dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses’s will sooner or later be reminded of how horribly they suffered in Nazi Germany. Often totally out of context and unrelated to the subject discussed, this argument is brought forth. In correspondence with government officials, journalists, etc., one often sees this argument used, even though it is totally out of any context whatsoever.

    Apparently it is regarded as some sort of magic argument, which will immediately open all doors, and invalidate anything else. “No one can blame us for lying and cheating and killing people, because we suffered during the Nazi Years.” This seems to be the logic behind the Watchtower reasoning.

    And with that kind of thinking the actual number of Witnesses who perished doesn’t seem to be enough. 635 human lives seem so utterly pale in comparison with the huge number of Jews, Gypsies, yes, and even homosexuals who died during the Hitler years. So they have to get the number of dead up, up. The more the better. More dead, more credibility.

    Already in 1950 they started to exaggerate the number of dead:

    “Already during the Hitler regime about 1,000 Jehovah's witnesses were executed as traitors, because they not only refused to serve in the war but openly opposed Hitler's authority. Another 1,000 of Jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.” (The Watchtower, December 15, 1950, p. 500.)
    As we can see they have rounded up the number to an even 2,000 dead.

    “That is why during the Nazi regime in Germany from 1933 to 1945 Jehovah's witnesses in that land refused to heil Hitler! as their Fuehrer or Leader, and went to concentration camps and prisons, where 2,000 died cruel deaths, and of the 8,000 that came out alive, 2,000 were invalided for the rest of their lives.” (The Watchtower, February 15, 1951, pp. 105, 106.)
    The year after they again mention the round figure of 1950, 2,000 dead.

    “Hitler, a Roman Catholic, the arm of his church in Germany, forbade Jehovah's witnesses to preach the kingdom of God, and these modern-day Christians had to say to Hitler's Gestapo police: 'Whether it is righteous in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, judge for yourselves.' They kept preaching even though 10,000 of them were put in concentration camps and over 4,000 died there. The rest nearly starved to death. The war's end aided their survival.” (The Watchtower, January 1, 1964, page 13.)
    As we can see here in 1964, they have again doubled the number of dead, now it has reached 4,000.

    So from the war’s end in 1945, to 1964, in 19 years they had managed to make 635 dead into 4,000 dead.

    Then in 1974 the Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses printed the history of their activities in Germany, and since Armageddon were due the next year, in 1975, a little honesty might come in handy, so here we got the most reliable number of casualties during the Nazi years:

    "But despite the hard conditions, how those who worshiped Jehovah rejoiced! They had been privileged to prove their integrity to the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. During Hitler's rule 1,687 of them had lost their jobs, 284 their businesses, 735 their homes and 457 were not allowed to carry on their trade. In 129 cases their property had been confiscated, 826 pensioners had been refused their pensions and 329 others had suffered other personal loss. There were 860 children who had been taken away from their parents. In 30 cases marriages had been dissolved due to pressure by political officials, and in 108 cases divorces had been granted when requested by mates opposed to the truth. A total of 6,019 had been arrested, several two, three or even more times, so that, all together, 8,917 arrests were registered. All together they had been sentenced to serve 13,924 years and two months in prison, two and a quarter times as long as the period since Adam's creation. A total of 2,000 brothers and sisters had been put into concentration camps, where they had spent 8,078 years and six months, an average of four years. A total of 635 had died in prison, 253 had been sentenced to death and 203 of these had actually been executed. What a record of integrity!" (1974 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 212.)
    As usual, Brooklyn shows its love for numbers by throwing in a totally irrelevant array of figures here. Everything to create a picture of something really gigantic. It’s all reminding of their assembly reports, where they tell us how many tons of potatoes, etc., was consumed during the assembly.

    Anyway. During the seventies they stuck to these figures but later it all started again. Now the tendency is to use outside, non-Watchtower sources, so-called “scientists” and various writers and historians to pump up the numbers again. One such example we find here:

    “The book Mothers in the Fatherland reported: “[Jehovah’s Witnesses] were sent to concentration camps, a thousand of them were executed, and another thousand died between 1933 and 1945. . . . Catholics and Protestants heard their clergy urge them to cooperate with Hitler. If they resisted, they did so against orders from both church and state.” (The Watchtower, January 1, 1989, p. 21.)
    This trick of quoting an outside source, who again is using the Watchtower as its source, is not new. The source of the information in the “Mother of the Fatherland” book is quite evidently lifted from a Watchtower from 1950, which said:

    “Already during the Hitler regime about 1,000 Jehovah's witnesses were executed as traitors, because they not only refused to serve in the war but openly opposed Hitler's authority. Another 1,000 of Jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps,” (The Watchtower, December 15, 1950, p. 500.)
    So by using this trick they are able to increase the number to 2,000 again in 1989. Time will show if they make any attempts to get the number up to 4,000 again, or if they will be satisfied with 2,000.

    The record show the Watchtower Society’s complete ruthlessness when it comes to use the horrible fate of the victims of the Nazi’s in an attempt to gain sympathy and acceptance from authorities and the general public. Particularly in Germany, where they are trying to gain recognition as a Church from the German state.

    In 1994 and 1995, the Watchtower Society has staged several propaganda shows where they have tried to milk everything possible out of what happened during the Nazi years. In 1994, they held a seminar at the Holocaust museum in Washington DC on September 29th. In 1995 two arrangements was held in France. The first in Strasbourg, March 28. And in Paris two day’s later. By far the most important one from a propaganda point of view was the one held in Brandenburg, Germany, on April 27th. The Watchtower Society had put together an exhibition with the theme “Memoire de Témoins” “Memories of the Winesses”. The Awake! magazine of June 8, 1996, which reported these gatherings seems very pleased with the effect. In order to lend this propaganda a bit more credibility they invited historians and politicians! In France they even got a former government member to say a few words. For those of us who have read the long and countless harangues of contempt heaped upon politicians and other non Jehovah's Witnesses printed in the Watchtower during the years, cannot but smile at such a transparent tactics.

    They must be pretty desperate in Brooklyn when they invite representatives of Satan’s system to be present, to make their propaganda more credible.

    Anyway, none of these attempts to appear more mainstream and “normal” has had any visible effect. In France the Jehovah's Witnesses enjoyed a 2% decrease in 1996, and in Germany there is stagnation. The German authorities wasn’t very impressed either, because they did not grant the Watchtower Society their much desired status. That case is now pending before the German Supreme Court, and will probably be settled in 1998.

    Let’s hope the Watchtower Society will let the victims of the Nazi years and President Rutherford’s extremely stupid dispositions during that time, finally rest in peace. It is indeed sad and depressing to behold the disgusting and revolting display the Watchtower Society put on, in order to save their flagging membership and reputation.


  • nelly136

    . http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/pub/rulings/cv/1996/671622.pdf

    Address: 100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, NY 12563; Tel No: 914-306-0700

    Contact: Carolyn R. Wah, Associate General Counsel

    Date of Proposal: December 7, 1999; as supplemented August 23, 2000; on August 10, 1999 and

    on June 22, 2000 the Special Master met with Carolyn R. Wah, Jolene Chu and James Pellechia.

    Proposal Summary: Special consideration should be given to applications of the surviving

    Jehovah's Witness victims of Nazi persecution. The Watch Tower would use a portion of the

    Settlement Fund to support its ongoing research and archival work on the Holocaust and

    presentations of its findings. It would devote any allocated monies solely to Holocaust education

    and the remembrance of the prisoners who bore the purple triangle, which represented the

    because they want to honor the victims of the holocaust of course

  • MadApostate

    Jolene Chu

    b. 1957, studied social history at New York University, researcher specializing in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Nazi era, at the international offices of the Watch Tower Society; project coordinator of Holocaust-related education programs and cooperative efforts with the Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation, Facing History and Ourselves, the Imperial War Museum Holocaust Exhibition, and numerous other Holocaust education and research facilities; serves on the advisory board for the Journal of Genocide Research.

  • nelly136

    http://www.disc.co.uk/standfirm/ official jw website on the holocaust


  • MadApostate

    Remembering for the Future 2000?

    What is Remembering for the Future 2000?

    RFTF 2000 is a major international scholars' conference on the Holocaust, together with an important series of related meetings and events, and will take place in Oxford and London from 16-23 July 2000. It will open its doors on 16 July with a Survivors' Gathering in London, including survivors and their children, "hidden children", Kinder-transportees, rescuers and liberators.

    On 17 July the Vice-Chancellor of Oxford University will open the international scholars' conference which will last four days (17-20 July). Some 700 of the best minds in the field from all over the world will join with a significant number of survivors and younger scholars to present and debate the results of their latest research and discuss the implications of the Holocaust for our contemporary world.

    The aims and themes of the conference (which follow below) have been most carefully chosen by the academic committee to represent dynamic areas of new findings and topical debate.

    The sixth day (21 July) will be held in London and be open to the general public and media. It is expected to attract a public audience of over 2,000 people to hear and then debate the findings of the conference. The message RFTF 2000 will be sending out to the world will be aimed not only at scholars but also at politicians, the press, religious groups, human rights organisations, anti-racist and anti-genocidal movements, and all who choose to listen.

    Various exhibitions and a programme of plays, films, music and lectures are also being organised in co-operation with other institutions and run in parallel in both Oxford and London, including a commemoration in music at the Sheldonian Theatre, Oxford on the evening of Monday July 17th.

    Conference Aims

    The specific aims of the scholarly conference are to provide a forum for the evaluation of the Holocaust in an age of genocides; to assess the impact of new material and research, particularly in the post-Communist era; to reassess the Jewish-Christian dynamic in the light of the Holocaust and provide a unique opportunity for eye witnesses and scholars to work together; to disseminate new findings using new technologies, especially the Internet. It will seek to assess the legacy of the Holocaust and encourage the development of its study into the next century. "It is the present that asks questions about the past but it is the past that sheds light on the strangeness of the present."

    . http://www.rftf2000.org.uk/programme/prog_conf_day3.html

    Schedule Excerpt:


    History Seminars 6:


    Jolene Chu & James Pellechia
    From Marginalization to Martyrdom: The Nazi Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses


  • MadApostate

    Thanks for the contributions.

    What I am really pursuing in this thread is the idea how the WTS is using the Holocaust topic to "be part of and develop friendships with the world".

    "Milking the holocaust" via their own publications, seminars, meetings, etc. is one thing. To use this topic to participate in non-JW events with worldly scholars, theologians, etc. is something else.

    What is the scriptural precedent for such? These WTS presentations do not appear to be the "preaching the good news of the kingdom"?

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