Birthdays and Job

by emptywords 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • emptywords
    emptywords

    The Society’s stance on birthdays is either blatantly a lie, or a lack of Bible knowledge on the part of the Governing Body! While still attending at the Kingdom Hall I read Job 1:4 where Job’s children each had celebrations in his own day. Then read in Job after his kids died and all his possession were lost where Job cursed his own day. Both references are to birthdays! Job’s children were the kids of what Jehovah called “an upright and blameless man.” If the birthday celebrations of his children were wrong Job would not have been upright and blameless!

    Copied this from a DA letter, thought it was interesting....

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    I've juust read the Scripture in Job, and Googled for a JW response....here...

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/re-celebration-birthdays.htm

    Even when I was a dub, I could never understand the reasoning behind not celebrating Birthdays, yet I obviously complied. The reasoning I've been told is that as Jesus never celebrated his birthday, then why should we. I actually have very mixed feelings about my own Birthday now.

  • R.F.
    R.F.
    Even when I was a dub, I could never understand the reasoning behind not celebrating Birthdays, yet I obviously complied. The reasoning I've been told is that as Jesus never celebrated his birthday, then why should we. I actually have very mixed feelings about my own Birthday now.

    Jesus never did ALOT of the things we do today, does that mean we shouldn't do them still?

  • Marcel
    Marcel
    *** w68 5/15 pp. 318-319 Questions From Readers ***

    • Does Job 1:4 indicate that Job’s children celebrated their birthdays?—F. D., England.

    No, that verse does not apply to birthdays. A little examination of the matter will show this. The verse reads: “And [Job’s] sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them.”

    In the English Bible the word “birthday” appears in Genesis 40:20, where we read of the birthday celebration of the pagan Pharaoh of Egypt. Consulting Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, one will see that “birthday” is a compound of the two Hebrew words yowm (meaning, a day [as the warm hours], whether literally or figuratively) and hullédeth from yalad (meaning, to bear young). However, in the Hebrew Scriptures the word “day” (yowm) is often used alone, referring simply to some day. This distinction between “day” and “birthday” may be noted in Genesis 40:20, where both expressions appear: “Now on the third day [yowm] it turned out to be Pharaoh’s birthday [literally, ‘the day (yowm) of the birth (hullédeth) of Pharaoh’].”

    At Job 1:4 hullédeth does not appear; only yowm is used in the Hebrew text. So it speaks of Job’s sons’ doing something “each one on his own day,” not ‘each one on his own birthday.’

    The Bible does not go into detail as to what occasioned the banquets. It may have been that at a particular season, such as harvesttime, the seven sons held a family gathering, and as the feasting made the week-long circuit, each son hosted the banquet in his house “on his own day.” Or the feasts could have been of the nature of family reunions held at different times in the year. This picture of a warm and happy family gathering, in contrast to the wild celebrations marked by dissipation and overindulgence in food and drink on the part of ones who have no respect for God, is further indicated by the fact that the sons considerately invited their sisters.

    of course that doesnt forbid birthdays. there is not a single scripture in the bible which forbids birthdays.

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  • emptywords
    emptywords

    Thank's Marcel for the info....I guess just about all these little rules not to do are a conscience matter and that's how I view them.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    When I left JW's, birthdays was a topic I researched thoroughly. Here's a list of the Watchtower's reasons for forbidding birthdays, and why they are bogus:

    http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-birthdays.html

    Dave

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear emptywords,

    I did a thread on birthdays sometime ago..here is what it said (it also talks about Job):

    Good Morning All and Happy Tuesday,

    Most everyone knows that Jehovahs Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays. The reason is that there are two examples given in the Bible of birthdays and bad things happened both times. Since the Bible was recorded for us, we must take that to mean that we should shun the celebration of them. The claim is also used that early Christians did not celebrate birthdays and we follow their example. We would not want to put anyone on a pedistal for honor and glory.

    Now.. are these claims really true? You be the judge...

    1. True, there were two incidents that someone died at birthdays. Yet, if you read the accounts, the events recorded were not focused on the birthdays. If you gave the passages for someone to read what would be the gist of the passage? Was it really about the birthday? Or rather was it about everything else that was going on in the story. If you re-read the accounts without thinking "Birthday", you may see there is much more to these passages. And it was recorded for a much deeper reason.

    2. False, there are not just two birthdays recorded in the Bible, there are three! The greatest birth of all isn't even thought of when Witnesses think of birthdays in the Bible. How about the birth of Christ Jesus? The angels in the heavens cried out with joy. I am sure there was a great celebration of his birth in the heavens. Why would it be ok to celebrate and be over come with joy at such a wonderful event, then only 1 year later pretend like we don't remember it at all? See The Greatest Man book- 1991 pag. 5.

    What an important night this is! Out in the fields a bright light gleams around a group of shepherds. It is Jehovah’s glory! And Jehovah’s angel tells them: "Have no fear, for, look! I am declaring to you good news of a great joy that all the people will have, because there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord, in David’s city. And this is a sign for you: you will find an infant bound in cloth bands and lying in a manger." Suddenly many more angels appear and sing: "Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill."

    When the angels leave, the shepherds say to one another: "Let us by all means go clear to Bethlehem and see this thing that has taken place, which Jehovah has made known to us." They go in a hurry and find Jesus just where the angel said they would. When the shepherds relate what the angel told them, all who hear about it marvel. Mary safeguards all these sayings and cherishes them in her heart.

    3. False, Job was a perfect example of one who was favored by God, yet he was honoring his childrens birthdays. Infact, the Bible says he was blameless and upright in God's eyes. See-Job 1:4:

    Job

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    There happened to be a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man proved to be blameless and upright, and fearing God and turning aside from bad. 2 And seven sons and three daughters came to be born to him. 3 And his livestock got to be seven thousand sheep and three thousand camels and five hundred spans of cattle and five hundred she-asses, along with a very large body of servants; and that man came to be the greatest of all the Orientals.

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    And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And it would occur that when the banquet days had gone round the circuit, Job would send and sanctify them; and he got up early in the morning and offered up burnt sacrifices according to the number of all of them; for, said Job, "maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed God in their heart." That is the way Job would do always.

    4. What about the Societys view on the Pinata? It has religious and "pagan" roots. Yet see here what the Society feels about using them today. Are they wrong now because it was once a pagan custom? See for yourself in the September 22, 2003 Awake, page 22.

    The

    PiñataToday

    Later, the piñata became part of the festivities of the posadas during the Christmas season and continues as such to this day. (A star-shaped piñata is used to represent the star that guided the astrologers to Bethlehem.) Breaking the piñata is also considered indispensable at birthday parties. Indeed, piñatas have become so traditionally Mexican that Mexico even exports them to other countries.

    We found that for many people in Mexico, the piñata has lost its religious significance and is considered by most to be just harmless fun. In fact, piñatas are used in Mexico on many festive occasions, not just for the posadas or for birthdays. And piñatas can be purchased in many forms other than the traditional star shape. They are sometimes made to resemble animals, flowers, clowns.

    When considering whether to include a piñata at a social gathering, Christians should be sensitive to the consciences of others. (1 Corinthians 10:31-33) A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues. The Bible says: "Let each one keep seeking, not his own advantage, but that of the other person."—1 Corinthians 10:24.

    So in conclusion, when a person allows themselves to weigh all of this out, are Birthdays really wrong for true Christians today? It sure makes you think again doesn't it?

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    One more point, that I wanted to share. I didn't know this until my mother pointed it out to me. One of King Solomons wives was a Eygptian Princess, and as a wedding present to her, her father the Pharoah had a whole town SLAUGHTERED on her behalf to celebrate the event.

    So if it is wrong to celebrate birthdays in part because at the birthdays in the Bible someone was murdered, then why isn't the same reasoning used to not have elaborate weddings. Yes, Jehovah instituted the wedding arrangement, but he certainly did not "throw" a elaborate wedding and reception for them. Then if you want to take it one step further, try looking into wedding traditions..almost all are steeped in "paganism". Isn't it ironic that even a latest 2007 magazine talked about some wedding traditions having "pagan" roots, yet that is not what most people look at it like today. They specfically said we wouldn't want to make big issues out of little things!

    Talk about HYPOCRITES!!! It is just another thing that makes NO sence when you use the brain God gave us to reason!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • carla
    carla

    Do we really know if Jesus did or did not celebrate (share a meal or some sort of celebratory function) of a birthday? Just because it is not directly addressed if He did or did not doesn't mean we cannot. Don't all days belong to the Lord anyway? Wasn't age or 'coming of age' an important time for Jewish children? One could say they obviously marked the passage of years somehow.

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