God is a Nazi (page 2)

nicolaou

Hi Ross!

I'm down your neck of the woods in mid-July, so maybe we can hook up?

Sounds good, if you care to post a date perhaps some others could join us for lunch (I'm assuming you're down here on a work thing). As for the topic at hand, you and I have danced this dance a bajillion times, d'ya really want to be outwaltzed again!

Okay, okay, you don't take the Bible at it's literal word but millions, probably billions do take this account to be historically accurate. What does it teach them about god? (Sharpens duelling foil after months of inactivity).

Ian! How's life treating you mate? As you can see here, I'm being royally stood up, perhaps I should head on up the M6 on Saturday? Hope you and Claire are having fun.

Nina; Interesting! I searched the bbc and found the interview you mentioned. Click this and fast forward to 19 minutes and 20 seconds. The interview lasts just over seven minutes and is between Christopher Hitchens, the sensible, rational, clear thinking, atheist author of 'God is Not Great' and his irrational, woolly headed, psycho-babbling Christian brother Peter Hitchens.

Hi Scully!

Crumpet

Nic are you aware that Ross got married to Xena while you were away - in Dallas Texas a few weeks ago and i was there. Well he is down here to meet his wife who is finally coming over thanks to the good old peeps at visa bureau. I'm hopefully meeting them on the 18th in London for a bite to eat. Maybe I'll see you too!

I didnt realise they were interveiwing brothers!!! WOW! Fantastic interview and great answers. I was chuckling away at the part were the Christopher says about the bible instructing mutilating babies and the his religious brother countering that society condones the murder of babies today by rebranding them foetuses. Great arguments both sides actually - though of course I am biassed on to one.

Thanks for finding the link to the actual interview. Recommended listening to everyone.

Scully

I was chuckling away at the part were the Christopher says about the bible instructing mutilating babies and the his religious brother countering that society condones the murder of babies today by rebranding them foetuses.

I've said this before, however it bears repeating: If men were capable of becoming pregnant by forced nonconsensual sex when they did not want to be pregnant, and could be compelled to carry the pregnancy to term, give birth to the child and raise it, with or without the sex partner who shared in the making of the child, we would not be having the discussion at all. Men would have the right to choose the destiny of their own bodies. But because women are solely capable of pregnancy and childbirth, and because the so-called "holy books" of the world require women to be subjugated to men, men continue to feel that women should not have the right to choose the destiny of their bodies.

nicolaou

Nic are you aware that Ross got married to Xena while you were away

Oh holy cow! How did the wedding go Nina? Are there any threads with pic's? I'd sure love to meet up with you guys and give my congrats in person. If it's okay to do so please PM me the details. I see that the 18th is a Wednesday, that's usually pretty good for me.

Thanks, Nic'

monophonic

reminds me of the louis ck segment here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l56b60FT1iw

hilarious banter on if there's a god or not. btw, not for the easily offended.

funkyderek

LittleToe:

To address your post: Did God actually attempt to get people to do those things, or did a few psychopathic nazis claim that He did?

Well, to me it's quite obvious that there are no gods and all the atrocities and absurdities attributed to them have really been the work of humans (sometimes well-meaning, sometimes not).

However, the character of the biblical god did, in that book, command all sorts of inhuman acts, from genital mutilation to genocide and many people believe that said god actually exists and requires them to obey his commandments. There's absolutely no reason to believe in the bible god, of course, but if people have been tricked into believing in such a malevolent being, then it's not surprising that they would obey what they believe his commandments to be.

I find it a little more difficult to see why someone would believe in such an entity but reject all of the alleged records of his existence (or even to pick and choose which they accept).

It could be claimed that I was the perpetrator of all manner of nasty things and people would believe it if they saw it often enough in print. That still wouldn't necessarily make it so. Hopefully my friends would know better but I wouldn't count on it, knowing how fickle we humans are. Likewise with God, from my limited perspective...

From my perspective, it's more like Nicolau is criticising the character of Darth Vader, and you are defending him by saying that actually Darth Vader didn't really do all the bad things attributed to him by George Lucas, but still holding on to the idea that Vader in his incarnation as Anakin Skywalker was the one who would bring balance to the force.

nicolaou

Picking and choosing which bits of scripture are to be taken literally or not raises the question of; 'how do you decide'?

The values employed to reject abhorent passages like this act of child abuse by Abraham as being literally true are available to all of us, believers and atheists alike and are, by self-definition, independant of the Bible.

It really does no good to say, "Oh you shouldn't take that passage literally", the passage is there! If it is not an historical account then it is there to teach a 'truth' or moral lesson. What kind of f***ed up morality are we supposed to draw from this particular story?

frankiespeakin

You must love zees "God" vith all your heart, repeat after me God is love god is love, indoctrinate your selves. Never doubt God's Love even in the face of logic and reason, for if you do you will get God very mad and he will exterminate you for your sins.

frankiespeakin

I can't think ill of my God that I adore with praise,

Praise Jah you people, when he destroys billions for not knowing him and praising him in the correct way, with accurate knowlegde,

let thier rejoicing be turned to wailling and the ripping of ones garments in grief,

When the great day of God sneaks up on them, and only my true people will escape.

How can i ever think my God anything but loving, I will not beleive the lies they smear on him, never never!

LittleToe

Each of us have our own perspective on life and experience it through our own eyes.

When it comes to an interpretation of ancient texts pertaining to a subject that you have personal experience of is it really so surprising that there are parts that resonate and parts that do not?

I regularly get the opportunity to see both sides of a story regarding mediation and counselling. They are rarely in accord and yet it is possible to pick through the descriptions and see how the story most likely really developed (complete with a range of misunderstandings on all sides). It can sometimes be almost impossible to convince the offended parties of this third view, however.

Nic:Any of this good for you:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/19/136908/1.ashx

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