Please help our children

by purplesofa 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mary
    Mary
    juni asked: How is your health system in Canada?

    When it comes to dentistry, it's just as bad as in the States. There was a huge article two weeks ago in the Toronto Star, front page about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people here in Ontario have absolutely no dental coverage. Dental care was not included in the Canada Health Act when OHIP came into existence in 1958; and unlike the doctors, who have a cap on how much they can charge from everything from your office visit to brain surgery, a dentist can charge whatever they like. Our dentists make a hell of a lot more per year than our doctors do. My dentist probably makes about $1,000,000 a year, if not more.

    It's not just the dentists, it's the lab costs too that are outrageous. For example, I need to get two dental implants. I've got teeth like my father: they look nice, but they're not strong. I brush 3 times a day, floss, go for cleanings twice a year, don't smoke, try to eat healthy----I've still got shit teeth. It's hereditary, and there's nothing I can do about it.

    So, dental implants run anywhere from $3,000 - $5,000 per tooth. This is absolutely outrageous. It's a frigging titanium screw with the porcelain cap that probably costs about ten dollars to make. My benefits officially don't cover dental implants. However, I'm going to the School of Dentistry where they run $1,950 per tooth. Even if I can talk my benefits into covering the 50% that they allow for a bridge, I'm still stuck paying $2,000.

    I think that in both the States and Canada, dental coverage of some sort needs to be provided and a cap on how much the dentists can charge. I have no problem with them making a very good living, but I have a major problem with gouging the public like they're doing. People don't realize that you can die from a tooth infection today, just like you could 5,000 years ago. Oral hygiene is not 'cosmetic'---it's a medical necessity and something definitely needs to be done.

    With that said, I'm glad we have a publically funded health care system here in Canada. Yes, we pay a lot more in taxes, but believe me---if you, or your child or your parent suddenly needs to be in the hospital for an emergency surgery, the last thing you need to worry about is "how am I going to pay for this?" When my father almost died, we called the ambulance, they took him to the hospital, and he was in there for over a month. OHIP paid for everything from the doctors fees, the drugs, rehabilitation, all the meals, everything. I think the only thing we paid for was the $45.00 ambulance fee. It's not a perfect system and is now grossly underfunded compared to years ago, but I'd still rather have our system than the way it works in the States.

  • Snoozy
    Snoozy

    Well from my recent experiences I am wondering why nothing is being done to stop Drs. from overcharging the insurance companies here.

    When I had insurance my Dr visit would charge the insurance co. at least $500. to $2,500. depending on what they did. Well I just went and had no insurance this time..my bill was $80.

    I had blood work and it was $800. When I had it done with insurance it was $2,500. Why? Same tests...I politely questioned them about it and they said cash payers get a discount. It seems like I paid the same either way. Subtracting my deductables when I had insurance.Almost comes out the same.

    I called a few years ago to report to my insurance that they had been double billed for one of my procedures .They couldn't be bothered. (It wasn't their money (the customer service rep.) No wonder insurance is so high. All the ripoffs...

    I am just so thankful I have stayed healthy the last two years..now in a few months my medicare and the supplement I am getting will take care of most of it.

    When I retired years ago they told me I would get health insurance..then when I actually did retire they sent me a letter explaining they had made a mistake. When our banks merged a few years before that they only allowed the employees from the bank we were bought out by to keep their retirement insurance. Not us. They did offer me Cobra though at $500. a month!!!!

    I took that but it ran out a few years ago..leaving me as one of the "unfortunate ones"..Screwed again...Thank goodness it worked out OK..

    But I will have to have some bridgework redone...I know that is going to cost me!!!!!!!!Big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Maybe I will have them all pulled....

    Snoozy...

    Edited to add..here in Missouri we seem to have a lot of children's dental work done by charity groups and Dentists that volunteer their services. I am always reading about a clinic that has opened for childrens services (dental). They even have vans that visit the schools..

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Umm, really I'm not gloating here...but here in Alberta we have the Child Health Benefit plan for low-income families. It covers things like dentistry and eyeglasses....

    http://www.hre.gov.ab.ca/cps/rde/xchg/hre/hs.xsl/2076.html

  • juni
    juni

    Thanks Mary for your information. Dentistry in the states is out of hand also. Dental insurance is for those who are blessed w/good teeth who only need a cleaning and perhaps a couple of small fillings. Otherwise, the costs are terrible. Only $1000 in benefits to be paid out yearly. There are no other plans. That $1000 is used up in no time. By the time you have a root canal done and a crown you are close to $2000.

    Everyone has a story to tell about the rip offs.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    This little girl is making her voice heard in a very clever way. To say she is going to run for president. If there was no age limit on running for president or voting, she would no doubt win.......as I think every child would vote her in.

    I raised five children. Often, times were very difficult. I was on welfare and the hospitol benefits were great. As I worked to get off welfare I lost health benefits for myself and children. So that at some point, you actually live below the poverty level.

    I have experianced first hand what it is like to fall through the cracks.

    As far as dental goes, I had four wisdom teeth that came in. They needed to be cut out. It was not until they became infected and absessed that I was able to get help to get them taken out. I had no pain killer at all, medicaid did not cover that. The plan covered numerous antibotic prescriptions.......crazy isnt it? It was not until my life could be in danger did they succumb to taking the teeth out.

    How can we justify going into other countries and helping children there when we have children here that are suffering too?

    What do we gain and the expense of our childrens lives?

    If we sign the petition.....it will get the attention that it deserves. Anna Nicole Smith was plastered all over tv for two weeks, the media ate it up. I am not an activist. I just love children.

    purps

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    BTW,

    This morning when I saw this site, there was 6,000+ signatures...........now it is over 8,000........Wonderful!!!!!

    purps

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    You do a good work by bringing this to our attention.

  • Merry Magdalene
    Merry Magdalene

    signed and sent on to my friends

    thanks

    ~Merry

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Thanks all who have signed and getting the word around!!!

    purps

  • 5go
    5go

    When it comes to dentistry, it's just as bad as in the States. There was a huge article two weeks ago in the Toronto Star, front page about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people here in Ontario have absolutely no dental coverage. Dental care was not included in the Canada Health Act when OHIP came into existence in 1958; and unlike the doctors, who have a cap on how much they can charge from everything from your office visit to brain surgery, a dentist can charge whatever they like. Our dentists make a hell of a lot more per year than our doctors do. My dentist probably makes about $1,000,000 a year, if not more.

    It's not just the dentists, it's the lab costs too that are outrageous. For example, I need to get two dental implants. I've got teeth like my father: they look nice, but they're not strong. I brush 3 times a day, floss, go for cleanings twice a year, don't smoke, try to eat healthy----I've still got shit teeth. It's hereditary, and there's nothing I can do about it.

    So, dental implants run anywhere from $3,000 - $5,000 per tooth. This is absolutely outrageous. It's a frigging titanium screw with the porcelain cap that probably costs about ten dollars to make. My benefits officially don't cover dental implants. However, I'm going to the School of Dentistry where they run $1,950 per tooth. Even if I can talk my benefits into covering the 50% that they allow for a bridge, I'm still stuck paying $2,000.

    I think that in both the States and Canada, dental coverage of some sort needs to be provided and a cap on how much the dentists can charge. I have no problem with them making a very good living, but I have a major problem with gouging the public like they're doing. People don't realize that you can die from a tooth infection today, just like you could 5,000 years ago. Oral hygiene is not 'cosmetic'---it's a medical necessity and something definitely needs to be done.

    With that said, I'm glad we have a publically funded health care system here in Canada. Yes, we pay a lot more in taxes, but believe me---if you, or your child or your parent suddenly needs to be in the hospital for an emergency surgery, the last thing you need to worry about is "how am I going to pay for this?" When my father almost died, we called the ambulance, they took him to the hospital, and he was in there for over a month. OHIP paid for everything from the doctors fees, the drugs, rehabilitation, all the meals, everything. I think the only thing we paid for was the $45.00 ambulance fee. It's not a perfect system and is now grossly underfunded compared to years ago, but I'd still rather have our system than the way it works in the States.

    Oh thank you, I keep hearing how bad you guys got it but realy Atleast you have something I lost my sister to no insurance problems. At the AGE OF 9 just about to turn 10 god I miss her. She died in my arms at least it wasn't painful from what I was told. I was 12 at the time.

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