Isn't it amazing ... how many Christians chose to ignore the OT...?

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  • needproof

    I read this funny article about the God of the Old Testament, and I thought how amazing it was that some Christians seemingly chose to ignore this brutal god of war, Yahweh, as though in the NT, he suddenly had a change of heart.

    The deity is clearly a maniac with a bloodthirst. Here is the article:

    A God in Man's Image

    All cultures have anthropomorphized their gods into humanoid (if sometimes grotesque) form. Were the Jews the exception? Hardly. We know precisely what the Hebrew god looked like. We are, after all, fashioned in his own likeness. He was a man, no doubt looking remarkably like the bearded sage asking us to worship him. He has body parts: eyes and a face (‘they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes’ – Jeremiah 16.17); nose and a mouth (Psalms 18.8); lips, tongue and breath (Isaiah 30.27,33); loins (Ezekiel 1.27); even ‘back parts’ (Exodus 33.23). He also has several ‘human’ emotions, manly appetites, and a worrying disposition towards pathological violence.

    Yahweh feels regret for his own evil (‘And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.’ - Jonah 3.10); and grief (at the wickedness of men) (‘and it grieved him at his heart’ - (Genesis 6.6). He actually gets down and wrestles with Jacob, dislocating his thigh (Genesis 32.24). He forgets (he goes on calling Jacob ‘Jacob’ even after re-naming him ‘Israel’ - Genesis 35.10, 46.2). He practises favouritism (choosing the Israelites ‘above all people’ - Exodus 19.5; but he just does not like Cain or Esau!). He holds grudges (‘I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation’ – Exodus 20.5).

    For an omniscient god he is surprisingly unknowing (‘They have set up kings, but not by me; they have made princes, and I knew it not.’ – Hosea 8.4). And for an omnipotent god he has his limitations (‘The Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron.’ - Judges 1.19).

    And after his creation of the world, he even has to rest from his labour (‘And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work’ - Genesis 2.2) – to the endless bemusement of pagan critics, whose own gods didn’t need to rest!


    The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet!

    Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy!


    What do you think?

  • Lumptard

    I've never understood why Christians appropriated the jewish bible and married it to the christian bible. The tones don't match, and it is possible that they are not speaking about the same god. He's a prick to the Jews and he's all nicey-nice and forgiving after Jesus comes around...what's up with that?

  • kid-A

    The merging of the old and new testaments is one of the most bizarre literary conflagrations in the history of humanity.

  • Mikeus

    What you've got here, with all due honor, isn't a straw man argument but more like a straw army. Whoever wrote this had a lot of presuppositions and a very limited view of King James language and hermeneutics in general, not to mention basic Christian theology.

    If this article were accurate, every Christian scholar, especially OT scholars, wouldn't be Christians! Most of the points made are hopefully just a misunderstanding of theology, otherwise they are a blatant misrepresentation of the text. For instance, the anthropomorphizing of God. Orthodox Judaism and Christianity clearly understand that God does not literally have "eyes" or "hands" (except when dealing with the incarnate Christ), and this is simply a way God speaks to His creation in order for relatability.

    I suggest you do a basic study of Christian theology and this essay will quickly seem ridiculous.

  • Marcel

    its brutal, unmerciful, blood-thirsty dictatorship over people he explicitly created with the free of will.

    thats one side. the other is:

    hes god, he created us, he created everything else, hes dictator, judge and executioneer in one person. noone can say he dont have the right to do so, since hes god. he got all rights. he make the rules. if something is unrighteous its because god said so. its righteous because god said so... in fact he CREATED righteousness. in fact he COULD have created us that we think pushing old ladies down the stairway is good. lol. according to the bible when we dont understand gods justice its just because we're imperfect.

    the only argument against that is: WHY the heck is jesus who is LIKE god acted completely different? could you imagine jesus butchering someone because he didnt acted exactly like some written law? in fact jesus admired the leprosy woman you broke the law and came into the crowd for touching jesus and didnt kill her for doing so. and THAT were at a time when jesus DID NOT died for our sins already. even david who killed his lovers husband wasnt killed instantly. its said god can see the heart. hearts can change. if not god shouldnt wait for someone doing a minor sin to kill him...

    thats really weired to me.

  • needproof

    Some good comments here,

    Marcel, your thoughts are identical to mine; this is why I created this thread.

    "The merging of the old and new testaments is one of the most bizarre literary conflagrations in the history of humanity." - how true!

    "The tones don't match, and it is possible that they are not speaking about the same god" I think that it is impossible that they ARE speaking about the same god!

    Mikeus, with all due respect to you, I think you should do the research in Christian theology! You haven't actually answered anything, just spoken in circles and tried to claw your way out. Very Watchtower-esque. How many times have we heard the 'it doesn't really mean that' line? So God kills man woman and child in the Old Testament, comes with love in the New Testament - are you denying that God actually did this or what? I don't understand this 'greater meaning' of yours, please initiate us into your wise ways.

  • aniron
    The merging of the old and new testaments is one of the most bizarre literary conflagrations in the history of humanity

    How many quotes from the Old Testament are found in the New. So we can disregard it when Jesus says "It is written.."

    The tones don't match, and it is possible that they are not speaking about the same god

    "it is possible" so you are not sure.

  • needproof

    Logic alone would tell you that Jesus is not the same character as the God of the Jews in the OT!

  • Mikeus

    Let me clarify I am not being hostile in my objections, rather it's simply I see a poorly constructed argument. When we only "skim" through the Old Testament, being an ancient historical book, we can find a lot of things that will shock us if taken out of its historical context. For example we find the tribe of Benjamin, some of God's chosen people, displaying complete depravity and committing acts of cannibalism. Then there's the classic example of God calling bears from the woods to kill the young men making fun of Elisha's bald head. What about God telling the Israelites to sack entire towns and kill everyone?

    What the writer of the article is doing is interpreting ancient culture from a 21st century culture and morality. Admittedly what is reported in the OT is far from what we would today consider to be moral actions, but ancient Hebrew culture and morality were far different from our own. The Hebrews were living in a much more casually violent society. They were faced with other kings and cultures with the desire and/or power to obliterate them without a care to their feelings. It was quite literally kill-or-be-killed. Where God has told them to annihilate other peoples it has been for the continued survival of the Hebrew people. God was seeking to create and sustain a people that would bear his image to the world; through following the law in general, and from Christ in particular.

    But then why was Jesus a man of peace and not of war? It's an interesting question, because even the Jews were waiting on a Messiah that would liberate them from the oppression of the Romans through means of revolt. I believe that at the very heart of the question lies a fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old and New Testaments reveal about the nature of God.

    For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is declared to be “merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth” (Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 4:31; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:5; Psalm 86:15; Psalm 108:4; Psalm 145:8; Joel 2:13). Yet in the New Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are manifested even more fully through the fact that “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God dealing with Israel much the same way a loving father deals with a child. When they willfully sinned against Him and began to worship idols, God would chastise them, yet each and every time He would deliver them once they had repented of their idolatry. This is much the same way that we see God dealing with Christians in the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6 tells us that “For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."

    In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on unrepentant sinners. Likewise, in the New Testament, we see that the wrath of God is still “revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18). Even with just a quick reading of the New Testament, it quickly becomes evident that Jesus talks more about hell than He does heaven. So, clearly, God is not any different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament. God by His very nature is immutable (unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture more than other aspects, He Himself does not change.

    Because of God’s righteous and holy character, all sin past, present, and future must be judged. Yet God in His infinite love has provided a payment for sin and a way of reconciliation so that sinful man can escape His wrath. We see this truth in verses like 1 John 4:10 “In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” In the Old Testament, God provided a sacrificial system whereby atonement could be made for sin, but this sacrificial system was only temporary and merely looked forward to the coming of Jesus Christ who would die on the cross to make a real substitutionary atonement for sin. The Savior that was promised in the Old Testament is more fully revealed in the New Testament, and the ultimate expression of God’s love, the sending of His son Jesus Christ, is revealed in all its glory. Both the Old and the New Testaments were given "to make us wise unto salvation" (2 Timothy 3:15). When we study them more closely, it really is evident that God is no different in the New Testament than He was in the Old Testament.

    Respectfully, Mikeus

  • needproof


    I have noted your thoughtful reply and will reply soon. Please accept my apologies, I may have over-reacted to your previous post.

    Best regards


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