New Understanding of Slave Class

by mrquik 19 Replies latest jw friends

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  AnnOMaly

  Re: prologos' 1st post on this thread:
  

  only the Governing body gets the reward when they are raptured before Armageddon

  Well, yes and no .... All the 'anointed' get raptured before the Big A and get the same reward - even though all but 7 or 8 of them don't comprise the appointed 'faithful and discreet slave' class. IOW, the vast majority of 'anointed' get the same lofty reward as the 'faithful and discreet slave' for having no responsibility whatsoever! Neat that, huh? 

  w13 7/15, p.25

  19 Does the faithful slave receive a
  greater reward in heaven than the rest
  of the anointed? No. A reward promised
  to a small group in one setting may
  ultimately be shared by others. For example,
  consider what Jesus said to his
  11 faithful apostles the night before he
  died. (Read Luke 22:28-30.) Jesus promised
  that small group of men that a fine
  reward awaited them for their faithfulness.
  They would share his throne of
  kingly authority. But years later, he indicated
  that all of the 144,000 will sit on
  thrones and share his rulership. (Rev.
  1:1; 3:21) Similarly, as stated at Matthew
  24:47, he promised that a small group of
  men—the anointed brothers who make
  up the faithful slave—will be appointed
  over all his belongings. In reality, all of
  the 144,000 will share his vast heavenly
  authority.—Rev. 20:4, 6.
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  prologos

  ann, yes, The gb will not only bring the great crowd to salvation, their paradise reward,  but even the anointed, including the apostles, the productive  writer paul, (who was not of the lofty calling to be part of the F&DS) how generous. and

  the rest of the 144 000 will not get that part of the 'reward' until the GB is immortal, after all current partakers, even if raptured, are just sitting there waiting for the ex-GB members to come up too. 
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  Phizzy

  So, the wonderful new light of the 2013 WT on this matter gives us two conflicting dates. In the quote that Heisenberg gives it says that they have been the FDS since the start of J.C's presence, ie 1914 , then it says:

  " “Appointed over his domestics”: In 1919, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers to be his faithful and discreet slave "

  Which is it ????
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  St George of England

  There are no conflicting dates here. 

  In the WT of July 15, 2013 Page 22 paragraph 10 as quoted by Heisenberg above, there is no mention of the 1914 date whatever.  In the box at the top of that page it says quite specifically "In 1919 Jesus selected capable anointed brothers to be his faithful and discreet slave."

  Heisenberg PROBABLY misread it! (Joke)

  George

  
  
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  prologos

  St George (joke) yes, the heisenberg uncertainty principle implies,

  if you know the POSITION wt on the (FD&S),

  you can not know the TIMING (1914 to 1919)

  of course nothing was known of this for 135 years.

  Only uncertainty is a constant feature with wt writers.  
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  Finkelstein

  An interesting observation with this new identity the GB have given themselves is that recently the WTS had downplayed the anointed class as being somewhat nutty or mentally off balanced toward the ones who recently self proclaimed themselves as such..

  Which one can assume came about in the realization that the anointed number has been steadily climbing in numbers in the past years. 

  Then again why not,  it just reconfirms their own positional power within the organization, placing the focus onto themselves.

  That's the great thing about a religion, the top controlling leaders can make it as they go or please, in most situations the top leaders usually make specific gains toward themselves .  
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  wokeup

  When the governing Body 2.0 re-wrote the Theological history of the Society in that infamous Jul 15 2013 Watchtower, they accomplished several things

  . 1. They threw their founder CTR under the wheels of the celestial chariot, implying he not only wasn't part of the FDS but wasn't anointed either by implying he did a 'work' like that of John the Baptist.

  2. That in turn, elevated Judge Rutherford and his cronies to be the first fruits of the FDS upon release from the Atlanta Penitentiary in 1919.

  3. By implying that only the leadership and later the governing body are the FDS, they neutered the remaining heavenly hope wannabes of JW's of special status.

   4. They continue to try to validate their perceived importance by referring to the Parable at Luke 12:41 as a prophetic fulfillment of themselves. 

  5. The governing body continues to bask in their present leadership role, reward of immortality and the privilege of slaughtering their critics and 99.9% of 'unbelieving mankind'.
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  Phizzy

  St George said " In the WT of July 15, 2013 Page 22 paragraph 10 as quoted by Heisenberg above, there is no mention of the 1914 "

  In the quote by H from the WT it says : "that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence."

  Then in the Box they say the FDS was chosen in 1919. Again I ask, which is it, from J.C's "presence" in 1914, or in 1919 ?

  I know they will claim that 1919 is "during" so they are saying the FDS is from then, but I cannot help but think they have deliberately not made this plain, so that it still seeps into the R&F's subconscious that they were God's Org in 1914 when J.C is supposed to have started his "presence".

  Otherwise the question can be asked, and should be asked anyway, if Jesus did not choose a FDS to dispense S. Food until 1919, who or what were God's Org before 1919, and why so ?

  
  
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  St George of England

  DURING Christ's presence does not necessarily mean from the very start of it.
  

  George

  PS I'm not defending this twaddle, just repeating what I was told.
  
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  CharlieSmith1975

  In REALITY, Jesus sent out TEN SLAVES in 1914. The WTS is just one of them. They are the one, though, that becomes the EVIL SLAVE. "I have OTHER SHEEP not of this fold." The "little flock" are the faithful anointed ones among JWs who are removed and taken to where Christ has gathered his other sheep. The WTS is now considered "apostate" by Jehovah and Jesus Christ. So their fantasy about being chosen and approved is soon ending.

  Just in passing, the 144,000 are the "natural Jews" in the kingdom who only make up the "root" the holy seed, which is only 10% of the whole (Isa 6:13). So the total number of anointed are 1,440,000, 144,000 of whom are natural Jews.

  NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE! That is clear from 1 Thess 4:15-18! The WTS thinks some people are in heaven now while others are waiting to die to go to heaven. WRONG! The 1000-year rule of Christ is with the anointed in human bodies in the earth! Why would Christ rule for 1000 years from heaven? What? He and the 1,440,000 anointed are going to give dreams and visisions to "other sheep" elders to do all the actual ruling? No way! A 1000 years? If Christ came to be a human the first time to be a sacrifice, why would he not be human again for 1000 years? Why not have hands-on rulership? He will!! So Christ and the 1,440,000 will be humans for 1000 years. Then after that, Satan is released from the abyss. He causes some to rebel and they are killed. And THEN comes JUDGMENT DAY. All the dead come back to life and are judged on the moral choices they made while they were here the first time, that is, the "books are opened." Then after Judgment Day, Christ and the 1,440,000 elect then go up to heaven. That's when the RAPTURE takes place. They ALL at the same time go up to heaven.

  Meaning? Meaning if you don't realize Jesus Christ will be in a human body for the 1000-year reign, then you are not following what the Bible teaches!

  NOBODY FROM THE EARTH IS IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. The WTS is now the "evil slave" so they know nothing. They are in darkness. Christ sent out 10 slaves in 1914. One of them, the WTS, proved unfaithful. Being part of the WTS is now a liability.