Countdown to Christmas......

by individuals wife 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • individuals wife
    individuals wife

    Well, I started today.... Christmas shopping! I have been waiting a long time for this pleasure and I couldn't wait another day! Well, it is only 12 weeks to go!!!

    Last Christmas was our first one after I disassociated and it was very difficult - the guilt was still there even though we were no longer under the thumb of the organisation. We had only been out of the hall for a month and it was very hard to go shopping in the town and bump into JWs when you were trying to buy cards and wrapping paper and tree decorations, the joy of freedom was somewhat tainted.

    What a difference this year will be - pulling out all the stops this year! Biggest tree ever, biggest turkey ever, biggest pressie pile ever, (most probably the biggest credit card bill ever as well - but who cares!) The guilt has gone, the worry of elders turning up on the doorstep on Christmas day has gone, the heaviness of heart has gone. We look forward to nativity plays with our children, to carol services, to cuddles with Father Christmas in his grotto, to stockings hanging up on the ends of the childrens beds, to advent calendars, to the excitement of Christmas morning with wrapping paper and bows covering the entire ground floor of the house.

    Is anyone else looking forward to their first 'proper' Christmas out of the 'truth'? How are you planning to celebrate it and how do you feel about the whole celebration now? Is it an hard transition to make or do you just relish it and look forward to it as we do?

  • individuals wife
    individuals wife

    Isn't anyone looking forward to Christmas? Bah, humbugs!

  • Naeblis
    Naeblis

    Bah! I'll probably do this sort of thing if I ever have kids. Kids...

    *runs off into the shadows*

  • josephus
    josephus

    i dont see the point in celebrating it.

    its a manipulative holiday.

    its not biblical.

    if you are not religious anymore, fine, but why would you do it you know its wrong

    josephus

  • concerned fiance
    concerned fiance

    As someone who was not ever a JW, can somebody please explain to me why it is taught by JWs that OCT 1st is the date of Jesus' birth since the flocks were outside from the scriptures. Isn't there a possibility that flocks were outside in December as well? Please help me educate my inactive JW fiance who is fighting the urge to go back.

  • TR
    TR

    Hi, I.W.!

    Yes, I look forward to Xmas every year since 1994, when I left the WTS. Since I became a JW at 23, I had Xmas memories until then. My strongest memories were when I was a kid. It wasn't the anticipation of presents, it was the general feeling of peace and good will that I remember, along with the relatives visiting, Xmas music, etc. I love the decorations, snow, sleding with my kids.

    So, Xmas brings back memories of a time in my life that wasn't marked by the WTS or teenage anxieties. My favorite time of the year!

    Last year, for the first time I did all my shopping on-line. MAN, what a time saver, avoiding the crowds, etc.

    TR

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
    —Edmund Burke

  • peaceloveharmony
    peaceloveharmony

    hey iw

    this won't be my first christmas i'll celebrate but every year i look forward to it! it's such a fun time. the last four christmas', i celebrated with my now exboyfriend's family. the big dinner, the time spent with loved ones and of course the presents! hehe...my first christmas i was like a child, big eyes, super excited. this year i will not be with said ex boyfriend's family for obvious reasons but i know it will still be special.

    have fun with your shopping and decorating. i haven't started shopping yet, i usually wait until the week before christmas, i'm such a procrastinator!

    love
    harmony

    Most people think, Great God will come from the skies, Take away everything And make everybody feel high. But if you know what life is worth, You will look for yours on earth: And now you see the light, You stand up for your rights.~~Bob Marley

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    CHRISTMAS: NEWER CHANNUKAH VERSUS SATURNALIA INSIGHTS: More recent scholarly studies prove that Christmas Tree is from the Tree of Eternal Life (Ge 2:9, 3:22) depicted in church plays of the Middle Ages, not Luther or Druid tree-worshippers, although outdated articles for example in Worldbook still repeat the legends and Luther may have originated the use of candles attached to Christmas trees.

    The giant cedars of Lebanon used to build the temple at Jerusalem themselves had bright green needles with tan-colored cones, and John 10:22-3 says Christ visited the successor temple during the Jewish "Festival of Dedication," namely Channukah, during winter. Also called the Festival of Lights, it had singing, the carrying of tree branches, homes filled with lights and joy. Celebrated 8 days each time, its date varies yearly but the first Channukah was December 25, making it an even more likely source for the December 25 celebration than Rome's Saturnalia which came later in the month. Some believe Christ was actually born about Oct 1, which would mean Mary conceived 9 months previously, that is about or on December 25. As to Santa Claus, no, he did not come from a vaguely known Asian god who descended chimneys to bring gifts or Siberian wizards but instead the Christian Nicholaus a famous gift-giver in Turkey in the Middle Ages.

    In fact Christ himself was wrongly attacked as a "glutton and drunkard" simply for believing in a good time (Mt 11:19). He once turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana (Jn 2:1-11), told followers to invite needy persons to parties (Lu 14:13-14), and accepted gifts. Interestingly, Revelation 1:14 even describes the resurrected Christ's hair as like "white wool" or "snow," his cloak was scarlet-colored (red with a bluish tinge--Mt 27:28), and white
    symbolized purity. True, all that just coincidentally reminds one of Santa Claus, but do note that the earliest Christians enjoyed balanced merriment at "love feasts" (Jude 12), the angels celebrated Christ's birth (Lu 2), and Job's children had enjoyed birthdays (Job 1:3, 3:1, 3).

    Those not celebrating Christmas for example from lack of correct knowledge do so with a clean conscience deserving respect, but those observing it honorably also deserve respect (Ro 14). Visit our nonprofit Jah Christians egroup at the following to request more free Bible information: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian, or contact:

    CHRISTMAS INSIGHTS: The Christmas Tree is from the Tree of Eternal Life (Ge 2:9, 3:22) depicted in church plays of the Middle Ages, not Luther or Druid tree-worshippers, although outdated articles for example in Worldbook still repeat the legends and other writers frequently copy what they say. In fact the giant cedars of Lebanon used to build the temple at Jerusalem themselves had bright green needles with tan-colored cones, and John 10:22-3 clearly says Christ visited the successor temple during the Jewish "Festival of Dedication," namely Channukah, during winter. Also called the Festival of Lights and sometimes also spelled as Hannukah, the holiday both had and still has singing, the carrying of tree branches, homes filled with bright lights and joy. Celebrated 8 days each time, its date varies yearly according to lunar positions but the first Channukah was December 25 (Hebrew: Chislev/Kislev 25) ,
    making it an even more likely original source for the December 25 celebration than Rome's Saturnalia which many articles also point back to.

    Some believe Christ was actually born about October 1 instead of December 25, which however would mean that Mary conceived 9 months previously, that is about December 25. (Count back 9 months and see for yourselves) As to Santa Claus, no, he did not come from a vaguely known Asian god who descended chimneys to bring gifts or Siberian wizards but instead the Christian named Nicholaus a famous gift-giver in Turkey in the Middle Ages. Some feel that the "have a
    good or merry time attitude" that is associated with the modern Saint Nick or Santa is wrong but others note that Christ himself was wrongly attacked as a "glutton and drunkard" for believing in a good time (Mt 11:19). In fact Christ once turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana (Jn 2:1-11), told followers to invite needy persons to parties (Lu 14:13-14), and accepted gifts such as expensive nard oil. Interestingly, Revelation 1:14 even describes the
    resurrected Christ's hair like "white wool" or "snow," and we know that his cloak was scarlet-colored (red with a bluish tinge--Mt 27:28), and that white symbolized purity.

    True, all such points may only be coincidental in reminding one of Santa Claus, but note also that even the earliest Christians enjoyed heart-cheering get-togethers or parties as noted from the fact that Jude 12 calls these "love feasts" (Jude 12), angels celebrated Christ's birth (Lu 2), and Job's children had enjoyed birthdays (Job 1:3, 3:1, 3). Those not celebrating Christmas for example from lack of correct knowledge do so with a clean conscience deserving respect, but those observing it honorably also deserve respect (Ro 14).

    Many Christmas trees are topped by a star remindful of the Christ star. According to John Mosley's The Christmas Star (1985) from September 3 BC to June 2 BC Jupiter, known as "the royal planet" passed Regulus "the king star" in the constellation Leo, reversed then passed again, turned and passed a third time. By June 17 Jupiter and Regulus were so close they seemed a single star when seen by the eye. This then is one intriguing possible source for the
    Christ star in the Bible.

    Now prior to Christ's birth an unspecified number of men called the "magi" in Biblical Greek came from the East first to Jerusalem (Mt 2:1-2) then went on to find the Christ child in Bethlehem. Some translations render the word magi as astrologers because its root like the word "magician" is linked to the idea of being a person of great might. However even though magi may refer to people who tried to predict the future by observing the stars, using omens and
    consulting spirit beings in opposition to the prohibition against spiritism at Deuteronomy 18:10-12, it can also refer to people who worked to predict future weather patterns, good times to plant and harvest, buy and sell crops, etc via careful observation of the clouds, stars and other natural phenomena and with very little to absolutely no special focus on the occult.

    Indeed it wuld be illogical to think that the Bible speaks well of or even in neutral tones of the magi if spiritistic persons had come to visit the Christ child, and so with solid reason excellent Bible translations continue to translate the magi as simply "the wise men" or even "stargazers." Again, this is because many magi were more like a combination of modern weather forecasters and astronomers than persons devoted to promoting the occult as also proved when the Bible in positive tones record that they brought gifts for Christ and then also protected him by leaving without telling his location to King Herod who wickedly desired to slay him. Therefore, many in no wise see it as improper to enact or enjoy nativity scenes that commemorate the good deeds of the "wise men."

    So long as one acts out of a sincere desire to please God, both those who celebrate Christmas and those not doing so deserve respect according to what Paul writes at Colossians 2:16 which you are encouraged to read. As to who wrote this, who write are part of an international, informal nonprofit fellowship of Christians, usually meeting in homes or by the internet, called the Active Christians of Jehovah. We encourage all interested readers to reproduce copies of this and distribute them to others so that they too may know such basic Bible truths. Visit our nonprofit Jah Christians egroup at the
    following to request more free Bible information:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian, or contact:

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    Hello IW,

    I like to go shopping the week before Thanksgiving. You get the best selection with the least crowds.

    Thanks for your technical assistance today.

    Have fun!

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    I'm still fading, so I'm not in the same position, but I still don't get Christmas. I've read a few non-JW resources that agree with the society on the origins of many facets of Christmas, and haven't really looked into it beyond that.

    Because of my family ties I still don't do anything for Christmas-- aside from a couple "lady friends" who insist on sending me gifts around that time--and I really have no desire to start celebrating it. I think if/when I go "public" I still won't make a big deal of Christmas.

    I guess if I became a born-again Christian I might buy into the whole Christmas spirit thingie. But if I decide on atheism/agnosticism or just remain in limbo, Christmas will continue to be either plain wrong or no big deal.

    Hmmm

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