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by silentlambs 19 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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Kent
Hi Bill;
That's right! The general idea is to get the messages out, and I fully agree you attend this show. If people gets to know the facts, it doesn't matter WHERE they get the facts - as long as they get them!
Yakki Da
Kent
I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!
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ZazuWitts
Bill,
The Meria show was outstanding. When you read the 'why, why, why,' letter I truly fell apart, for several moments.
I'm so glad you stressed the two-witness policy, and the fact that these criminals may be knocking at the public's door. They are two of the points I always try and mention when I write any and all regarding this issue.
And I hope her regular listeners feel outrage at the Tower's deceitful cover-ups, and the life-long pain it inflicts on the Silentlambs.
Again, compliments on your presentation - it was clear as a bell, presented logically, and yet passionate re this horrible injustice. Thank you.
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safe4kids
Bill (((Hugs))),
I echo what zazu said, it was outstanding. You came across as eminently logical and reasonable as well as compassionate and firmly on the side of the victims. As always, Bill...I am so very grateful for the stand you've taken on this issue and am in awe of your courage. THANK YOU!!!!
Dana
"...I'd walk with my people if I could find them..."
Third Eye Blind, Deep Inside of You
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Had Enough
CONGRATULATIONS BILL:
I've already posted this reply on another site but I wanted to make sure you saw my congratulations to you. The more exposure you can get out there, certainly the better to make this horrible injustice known to the world and especially to the loyal JWs who thought like I did...that the organization is a haven of purity and moral goodness.
I was only able to get online to hear the last 15 minutes of the interview, but in that 15 minutes, Bill didn't miss a beat. He exposed the WTS and the JWs that supported Erika's molester and all the other elders who have done as directed by the WTS....that is to keep quiet through "ecclesiastical privilege".
btw...when is it a "privilege" to persecute a victim by supporting a molester? When is it OK to persecute a victim by protecting the "image" and money of the so-called God's organization on earth?
Any JW hearing this or being told this account, should feel nothing but extreme humiliation and embarrassment at being called a JW.
To top it off, everything Bill said can be proven through documentation. Any doubter out there reading this should be shown the proof in black and white when they try to fluff off our exposure of this as "just apostate lies".
I'm looking forward to hearing the beginning of this tape. I'm sure it will be in Meria's archives on her site.
Had Enough
"Never doubt that a small group of citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."...Margaret Mead -
silentlambs
I spoke with Meria a ffew moments ago regarding the interview. She thanked me for doing the program andsaid she had several comments from listeners. Not one was negative about the program. Something I did not know is that the program will available indefinitely on her website. The Sunday program button will air the interview till next Sunday, then it will be in the archives from that point on. I will have a link from the sl website that will go directly to the interview. Just think WT will get to listen to this for years to come.
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dungbeetle
Great job Silentlambs...
I have the interview on a cd (wave format) in 2 parts. Later today or tomorrow, I will edit the interview into tracks and make a new cd. If you want one holler.
Dungbeetle...so much dung, so little time...
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dungbeetle
Oh and also I emailed this to Meria....here it is reproduced for your reading pleasure...
Meria....an informative and inspiring show today regarding child molestation and pedophilia within the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (often called Jehovah's Witnesses or The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Some interesting points for consideration by you and your listeners Meria if I may...
1) One Scripture the Jehovah's Witnesses use in support of their policy of allegegations of child molestation by one of their members is II Corinthians 13:1. In the Bible published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, that verse reads..(This is the third time I am coming to YOU. At the mouth of two witnesses or of three every matter must be established)
From another Bible published by this same group, the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, this verse reads in the literal rendering..(Third time this I am coming toward YOU; upon mouth of two witnesses and of three will be made to stand every saying.)So you see, to take this Scripture and apply the statment..2 or 3 witnesses to each ACT is a misconstruction/misapplication of this verse. In the first place, the entire chapeter and the one preceeding it has to do with statements made by Paul himself, which were topics for discussion. Nowhere are 'judicial commitees' referenced here, and neither are ACTS/BEHAVIOR referred to here. In the second place, even if it were, the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying that a child molester is committing individual ACTS of molestation, rather than BEING a child molester and CONSPIRING to molest children, making the sum of alleagations and the totality of the behavior 'a matter'.
The bottom line as I see it is that child molestation is not seen as a sexual assault upon a child as is commonly viewed by mental health practicioners; it is seen as an 'act of sexual passion', a 'lapse of sexual morals' that just happened to be with a child. Someone has had sexual experiences with children some numbers of times rather than someone IS a child molester.
2) Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT being singled out by anyone but themselves. No other religion publicly proclaims in its own literature, as Bill brought out in the interview, that convicted child molesters MUST go to people's homes. There are various ways Jehovah's Witnesses use to gain money and new converts; telephone witnessing, letter writing, audio tapes and cd's, magazines through the mail, webpage publishing, speaking to passersby on streetcorners, witnessing to business owners, radio and television broadcasts, no; these criminally convicted pedophiles MUST go door to door. This is the Jehovah's Witnesses rule; no other religion SENDS convicted child molesters to people's HOMES. This manmade policy of their own sets them apart from other religions THEMSELVES.
3) Women have been victimized by this group since its very founding. From the book 'Visions of Glory' by Barbara Grizutti Harrison', is this exerpt concerning the man who Jehovah's Witnesses claim as a founder, from a judge of the court: "The indignities offered to [Mrs. Russell] in treating her as a menial...intimating that she was of unsound mind and that she was under the influence of wicked and designing persons...He says himself that she is a woman of high intellectual qualities and perfect moral character...His course of conduct toward his wife evidenced such insistent egotism and extravagant self-praise that it would be manifest to the jury that his conduct toward her was one of continual arrogant domination that would necessarily render the life of any sensitive Christian woman a burden and make her conditions intolerable." This was approximately 1896. Refusing to pay the court-ordered support, Russell's 'loyal followers...greeted him, upon his return from a European trip, with a gift of $9,000 to pay back alimony.
What do the modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses have to say? From their book Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, we read "Then flattery of Maria and appeals to pride on her part by others bagan to undermine that relationship; ..she sought to secure for herself a stronger voice in directing what would appear in The Watch Tower; Having failed to force her husband to acquiesce to her demands she put forth great effort after she left him to bring his name into disrepute.
Later, in 1946, in the book 'Let God Be True', the statement can be found.."Woman is merely a lowly creature whom God created for man as man's helper." Such a comcept, based on the Bible verse Genesis 2:18 in the same NWT; "And Jehovah God went on to say "It is not good for the man to conitnue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him as a complement of him."
No where in the Scriptures is it stated that this applies to anyone but Adam and Eve, whose circumstances in history were unique to them. The children born of them are never said to have had this applied to them. In fact, in defence of women and to elevate their status Paul said at I Timothy 2:11 (same NWT) "I suffer a woman to learn..." (education of women in those days was unusual, and Paul here was advocating change) and in verse 14: "Also Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived..." laying the greater weight of responsibility on the man...also unusual for those days. (I quote only those parts of these verses that are in the least of contention by modern biblical scholars. The issue I am raising is the ATTITUDE of the Watchtower) these verses rendered in the Greek Interlinear is, verse 11: Woman in quietness let her be learning in all subjection; and verse 14:and Adam not was seduced, the but woman having been seduced out in transgression she has come to be."
So you see, how far back stretches this treatment of women by this group....
Dungbeetle...so much dung, so little time...
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gumby
Bill. I just listened to the interview. I went to her site and clicked on "most recent sunday show" You did an awesome jos in what you said and I felt you couldn't have done a better job. If dateline produces the things you said with all the quotes from the watchtower that you used and the experiences you told...this will be an eye-opener for sure to all dubs tuned in.
For all the rest of you I encourage you to go to the site and listen to the program!!!!! Great job!