'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here. What's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating Mosaic Laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.
    They like to ignore the fact that Jesus is the revealed Yahweh and He sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual. We relate scripture to Him and we interpret scripture by His life amongst mankind. The Law brought about the messiah, it showed 'types' of Christ in many facets, various sacrifices picture Christ. The Law's purpose was that of a tool that made man aware of his own depravity.
    Christianity is based on the LIFE, death and RESURRECTION of Christ. You can take it all as literal or practically none of it as literal (Indeed this is proven, all variations of this can be seen in protestantism, yet the simple way to salvation is almost universal!), yet if your believe on Jesus, repent of your sins and accept Him in grace through faith, then you are sealed and bound for glory.
    What other brand of faith has such a huge amount of historical evidence and such a wide variation of beliefs in the gray areas?
    There are so many different Christian churches that are offered from literal fundamentalism to non-literal, liberal methodism, there are Calvinists and Arminians, in eschatology there are premillenialists, panmillenialists and preterists yet the essentials of the deity of Christ, the immortal soul and the separation of wicked (even with eventual anhilation or 'soul sleep') from heaven are a foundation of all groups who are not cults. All can relate, all can argue, yet all agree on the way to heaven as taught in scripture (John 14.6). Some contend that the verses, 'I have sheep not of this fold' and 'those who have no law are a law unto themselves' refers to those who are accepting of Christ's commands yet never know Him by that name!
    What do the 'lost' have to offer? I see it as a six foot hole.

    Too bad they forget the wager.
    Where is your altruistic and purposeful human goverment, have any of them really worked (in the long run) to benefit mankind? NO
    Does communism work for the benefit of mankind? NO. How many millions died and still die under this hegemony?
    Does capitalism and free trade work for the benefit of mankind? NO
    Will the almighty dollar bring you peace and security? NO
    Oh, then there's science, reputable science that is, that ever changing, new light, chaotic jumble of fact and fiction made into a world-view just as mythical as it claims religion is!
    Where is your great, reputable science and why does it find itself faced with several question for every answer they (think) they find?
    Oh yes, science has advanced the methods of death and destruction to unparalelled heights! Let's not forget that!
    Mankind without God is on a highway to hell and like it or not, the Bible is the 'wager of Pascal' and even with its alleged warts, its the most likely inspired source of God's revealed will and purpose for mankind.

    Atheists and athettes, always trumpet their superior 'intellect and ethics' while supporting things like abortion (baby murder), the holy right to spread STDs like AIDS and hepatitus (of several types) just for their own selfish, destructive lifestyles, Christian bashing, the rights of criminals over the rights of victims, (white) man hating, animals are our cousins...... and the list goes on and on.
    They insist on the right to live without God, then, when things blow up and fall apart around them they blame God for their own free will choices! What a galling bit of arrogance and hypocrisy!
    Guess what, America (and maybe Europe) are waking up to the lies of the liberal/no God agenda and that agenda is now becoming politically incorrect! People are seriously rethinking their lives and the road they are traveling is being recognized as quicksand.
    No 'facts' really exist, Alan. There are conclusions and there are illusions, their is my world-view and your world view and each of us can come up with valid evidence for our assertions but none are absolutely provable. ALL of us are dependent on others for knowledge and we all stand on the backs of giants.
    All your world-view offers you is a pointless life and a soon forgotten death. Yet you choose that instead of eternity.
    This is like 'shooting fish in a barrel', eh Julie?(!)
    Cheers,
    Rex

  • Trilobite
    Trilobite

    I finally understand why God desires that some of his followers be martyrs. It wasn't to inspire others; it was to get idiots like Rex of his back.

  • Seeker
    Seeker
    Atheists and athettes, always trumpet their superior 'intellect and ethics' while supporting things like abortion (baby murder), the holy right to spread STDs like AIDS and hepatitus (of several types) just for their own selfish, destructive lifestyles, Christian bashing, the rights of criminals over the rights of victims, (white) man hating, animals are our cousins...... and the list goes on and on.

    Huh? That sounds like a political rant, not a religious one. I don't think you know who your opponents are, for you say you are talking about atheists, and then you list a bunch of things that belong to other groups. You really do need to focus on your facts.

    They insist on the right to live without God, then, when things blow up and fall apart around them they blame God for their own free will choices! What a galling bit of arrogance and hypocrisy!

    Indeed. And if you can find even one atheist who is doing that now, I'll be amazed. Bet you can't find one.

    Guess what, America (and maybe Europe) are waking up to the lies of the liberal/no God agenda and that agenda is now becoming politically incorrect! People are seriously rethinking their lives and the road they are traveling is being recognized as quicksand.

    ROFL! Maybe that's the discussion in the closed world of your church, but that's not the world I've seen, nor have I heard anyone, ANYONE say things like this until you just mentioned it. So just as the JWs think the whole world quakes at their message (even though nobody has any idea what they are saying), you may think the whole world is coming to agree with you but that isn't what's happening at all.

    So sad. You act just like a JW. Please, Rex, at the very least you need to read stuff from someone else's perspective. We read your stuff when you post it, and we read other points-of-view. You seem to live in a closed loop, so much so that you think the world is beginning to think like you!

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    P.S. Atheists have no agenda, other than a non-belief in your god. Stop repeating this lie. Maybe political groups have agendas, but not atheists unless they belong to those groups in addition to their non-belief in your god.

  • jonjonsimons
    jonjonsimons

    Rex,
    I don't understand. You are the first one to jump in when someone lumps all Christians in the same group, but you just did the same with Athiests.

    I am an Athiest, (I know big secret) and yet I don't blame God for anything. He doesn't exist, so how could I. I do blame organized religion for many of the worlds perils, can you honestly disagree with that?

    I support a womans right to choose an abortion for 2 very simple reasons Rex. First because my mother died at the age of 35 bearing a child that her Dr. advised her not to have. An abortion would have saved her life. Period. Secondly my 14 year old sister was raped and became pregnant. She could not go to my father for help because in his JW mentality she was afraid the blame would be put on her for what had happened. I took her to the clinic and held her hand while the abortion was performed and I would do the same today. Why should a 14 year old rape victim be expected to carry a child to term?

    I also find it funny that you think all Athiests are "Christian bashers". I fully respect your right to your beliefs. You however don't extend that same courtesy to others. Your entire post was one big "Athiest Bash" Rex. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    I am extremely offended that you would even make a comment like "the holy right to spread STDs like AIDS and hepatitis (of several types) just for their own selfish, destructive lifestyles." What??? Do you really believe that people think that way Rex, or are you just trying to be antagonistic? It is my sincere hope that this comment was made in the heat of the moment because if it isn't, then I have lost any respect that I was starting to gain for you. To trivialize a disease that has cost millions of lives worldwide with a sarcastic comment like this is disgusting. I hope you never have to know the pain of losing someone you love to AIDS. I wish that on no one.

    I also take extreme offense that you say all Athiests care more for the rights of criminals than they do for the victims. Where do you get off saying something like that Rex? Have you ever been the victim of a crime, or had a close family member that has? I have Rex and believe me this Athiest does NOT take the criminals side in this matter. My uncle was murdered in 1984, and the man who killed him spent less than 10 years in prison. I personally went to his parole hearings and argued against his release, but he was freed after his second hearing. I also hope you never know the pain of losing a family member to murder. Take my word for it, it sucks out loud.

    Please do not continue to make blanket statements about people you don't even know Rex. It makes you look truly uninformed and anything but Christian.

    Jon

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Hi Seeker,
    >P.S. Atheists have no agenda, other than a non-belief in your god. Stop repeating this lie. Maybe political groups have agendas, but not atheists unless they belong to those groups in addition to their non-belief in your god.

    The agenda HERE is so obvious. We have people with no hope pouncing on people who have been spiritually abused. Some here even prove the WBTS correct about 'apostates'. I can't recommend this place to any JW looking for answers.
    Try taking a little survey of those who have the atheist/liberal world-view, common denominators are these causes; big goverment, abolishing religion from public places (ACLU), extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism (not rights-man hating), abortions, animal rights (our cousins!), evolution, pacifism, no gun rights, against capital punishment and often anti-Americanism.
    Of course that can be readily seen in a general way and Iadmit that personal variations exist.
    Rex

  • Trilobite
    Trilobite

    : Try taking a little survey of those who have the atheist/liberal world-view, common denominators are these causes;

    : big goverment,

    And just who is the head of the biggest government on the planet? An atheist? Name the last atheist president.

    : abolishing religion from public places (ACLU),

    Given the recent acts of fanatic religionists then that might not be a bad idea. However, no atheist would sanction that because most believe in free speech. Tell me Rex, how does some religious nut who bombs an abortion clinic differ from those who attacked the WTC? Apart from the notion that there god is evil and yours is good?

    :extreme environmentalism,

    Right. Let's kill the forests.

    :socialism,

    Let's kill the poor.

    : feminism (not rights-man hating),

    Let's abuse the women, and, if they don't do our bidding, as lesser vessels, why not kill them too. But we'll rape 'em first.

    : abortions,

    Let's save the foetii so they can grow up to be killers like us. Or, at best, let them grow up in poverty because we oppose sex education, or any real education if it comes to that.

    : animal rights (our cousins!),

    kill the aniamls too.

    : evolution,

    Kill thought.

    : pacifism,

    Kill Jesus teachings.

    : no gun rights,

    He who lives by the sword.

    : against capital punishment

    Kill the criminals too.

    : and often anti-Americanism.

    Kill everyone else.

    Rex, isn't it about time that you checked yourself in? You really are a piece of shit.

    T.

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Admitted, Brother Jon, I used some generalizations without qualifications.

    Even Judaism allows the abortion of a baby when it threatens the mother's life. I pray you find solace and peace.

    The killer of your uncle should have been put to death. Don't various groups favor abortion, yet condemn capital punishment, then pelt ladies wearing fur with paint or insults? Aren't they usually 'liberals' and often 'atheists'?

    >I support a womans right to choose an abortion for 2 very simple reasons Rex. First because my mother died at the age of 35 bearing a child that her Dr. advised her not to have. An abortion would have saved her life. Period.

    Agreed completely.

    >econdly my 14 year old sister was raped and became pregnant. She could not go to my father for help because in his JW mentality she was afraid the blame would be put on her for what had happened. I took her to the clinic and held her hand while the abortion was performed and I would do the same today. Why should a 14 year old rape victim be expected to carry a child to term?

    Don't take this wrong, I have not 'walked' in your shoes'. Let me ask this:
    As long as there was no definite health risk (the mental damage had been done already), why not have the baby and give it up for adoption? It is not the baby's fault how it came about, right?

    I have known men who raised up sons in love, despite the child probably being not their own, even forgiving their wives along the way. When I talk 'abortion', I mean 'abortion for convenience's sake'.
    Rex

  • lauralisa
    lauralisa

    jonjonsimons,

    Your post stunned me. Please do not ever stop posting.

    It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Rex,

    With all due respect, your post sounds as if you get your information from conservative radio talk shows. Real life is far more complicated than that, and I would be happy to discuss it with you in depth some time. Your views are heavily skewed in one political direction.

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