Inside the minds of N. Koreans -- AND JW's

by Rabbit 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    Here is a sad, scary story about a whole country of isolated people whose news and knowledge of the real world around them is strictly controlled -- and the effect upon their minds.

    This story reminded me of what happened to me during my 35 years 'in' the WT. Does it remind you of the same mind-set ? It sure helped me understand the danger of extreme politics & religious dogma.

    BBC NEWS Inside the minds of North Koreans

    By Samanthi Dissanayake
    BBC News

    The day after North Korea announced it had tested a nuclear weapon, state-controlled TV showed pictures of North Koreans celebrating, seemingly regardless of the world's condemnation.

    Every aspect of people's lives in the Stalinist state is rigidly controlled, and the celebrations were carefully orchestrated.

    But can we know what people in North Korea are thinking about the nuclear crisis, and their country's mounting isolation?

    "North Koreans would probably be quite proud of the test," according to a defector from North Korea, who wishes to be known as Ms O.

    "There's only one television news and the announcer told them to be proud of the test and that it was a good thing, so they believe this," she said. (Only "one true religion" and the WT tells us to be proud, so we believe this)

    A Westerner living in Pyongyang - who also wanted to remain anonymous - has witnessed this first-hand.

    "They see the result as entirely positive: 'Now we have got it, now we feel safer.' They want to live their lives their way and they defend their right to do so," she said.

    Siege mentality

    North Koreans would probably be quite proud of the test
    Ms O, North Korean defector

    Tat Yan Kong, a lecturer at London's School of Oriental and African Studies, said that for many North Koreans, developing a nuclear bomb and the government's claim to be holding the US at bay would be a great source of pride.

    "Compare it to the Soviet Union or China in the 1960s. There is very limited information, a feeling of being threatened from the outside world," he said.

    This sense of isolation has long been cultivated by the North Korean leadership.

    After a long history of subjugation to China and then Japan, followed by the Korean War, the leadership portrays the outside world, and the US in particular, as constantly threatening the integrity and safety of the North Korean state.

    "(People are taught) that America is a warmonger, that it invades sovereign countries, that it devastated the whole of the North, that it is occupying points of South Korea," Tat Yan Kong said.

    The Pyongyang-based westerner has witnessed this sentiment.

    "They think the US sees them in the unfairest way one can be seen, to put it mildly...it wants to topple their government," she says.

    What people know

    According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, North Koreans have the most censored media in the world. UN data shows that there are only 55 television sets for every 1,000 people in North Korea, all of which are pre-tuned to state channels.

    Radios are more common, but have to be registered with the police and be tuned to approved stations.

    The media monopoly broadcasts what the rest of the world regards as propaganda - North Koreans are regularly and routinely told they are the happiest and freest people in the world.

    "North Korean people don't know about the outside world... all they think about is how to live," says Ms O. She adds that at school they are taught history entirely from North Korea's point of view.

    "It's a very nationalistic view. It is either greatness and glory or unbearable suffering and unfair treatment," says Professor Leonid Petrov, a specialist in North Korean historiography based at the Political Sciences University in Paris. He argues there is much they will not know about the world outside their borders.

    "They will know about Yuri Gagarin being the first man in open space. I'm not sure they know the Americans were the first people on the moon," he said.

    'Totally isolated'

    The international reaction to the nuclear tests will only confirm North Korean prejudice that the outside world is hostile.

    Mr Petrov cites an example from France, where a delegation of North Korean diplomats was expected in Paris to learn more about democracy and market economy. After the nuclear test, the trip was cancelled.

    "Whatever the Bush administration does is grist to the mill of Kim Jong-il. What many western powers do really supports the world view his family is trying to impose on the whole country," he said.

    Despite the media clampdown, North Korean defectors say some outside news does beat the censors, and that it could one day lead to the end of the regime. (compare to: JWD & other "apostate sites)

    Illegal radios smuggled in from China are used to receive foreign broadcasts, while people who cross into China to find work or food return with stories of China's relative wealth.

    "When refugees cross the border, they notice that even dogs in China eat white rice...the people repatriated from China talk about what they see," says Kato Hiroshi, head of Japanese NGO, Life Funds for North Korean Refugees.

    Ms O, who left North Korea three years ago, is worried about her family and the impact of sanctions. "There is no rice, and without rice, they will die," she said.

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/6054692.stm

    Published: 2006/10/17 14:17:43 GMT

    © BBC MMVI

    The human mind is a terrible thing to waste...when we close ours...bad things happen. Rabbit

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586

    The parallels speak for themselves, eh? It's the closest nation we have to 1984, it would seem.

  • becca1
    becca1

    GB's dream model of how the org. should be run.

  • Butters
    Butters

    "Here is a sad, scary story about a whole country of isolated people whose news and knowledge of the real world around them is strictly controlled -- and the effect upon their minds."... sounds like the United States.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    1984...yep, good parallel.

    1975...another.

    Fahrenheit 451 °...another.

    Rabbit

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    People who choose to be witnesses for the past 10 years in the information age in the United States are doing it to themselves. Henry Ford said the hardest thing for man to do is to think. And Witness in the USA dont want to think. So I guess they have to suffer, or ignorance is bliss.

  • Jeepthing
    Jeepthing

    I see a big difference in North Korea and WT. North Koreans were shut off from rest of the world where else WTs were surround with outside of world. Witnesses see the world all around them but refuse to see and open their eyes by choice due to belief. North Koreans don't have a choice. They do not have all the luxury of making choice like we did. They get killed or tortured for not listening and are totally shut off from rest of the world. Witnesses aren't shut off from rest of the world except may be the children even than they have choice to leave. We(ex-jw or inactive) wanted to believe that witness teaching was the truth and because of that we made the choices. North Koreans don't have that choice. Take it or die. Little kids(as young as infant ages) were taken away from their parents and raised as state properties and brain washed at very early age. They are trained to disowned them before they get to know them(parent). Come on people, you can not possibly compare jw religion with North Korea.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    Jeep

    Come on people, you can not possibly compare jw religion with North Korea.

    Hi Jeep...and Welcome !

    I really do understand that the N. Korean people are forced into ignorance of the real world, whereas some JW's actually choose to remain ignorant and "no part of this world."

    My point... that I thought was very clear is: There is a destructive mind-set that is created by ignorance -- whether forced or chosen. And with N.Koreans and Jehovah's Witnesses there is a very big psychological "fear factor" of punishment & banishment for "non-compliance."

    Lastly, the North Koreans have an ignorant belief about 'real world' things than can make them willing to go to war and die over those beliefs.

    Example: Their belief and support of their "deity"...leader Kim Jong IL caused over a million of their countrymen to die of starvation last year !

    Jehovah's Witnesses have an ignorant belief about 'real world' things than can make them willing to go to (religious) war and die over those beliefs.

    Example: My Mom's belief in the WT's "Abstain from blood, " killed her !

    There are many good parallels between any totalitarian govt. and any religious cult.

    Rabbit

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