Coverup of true count of deaths in Iraq

by purplesofa 9 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    One of the first things my daughter told me when coming home from bootcamp was that she saw something that was shown in class by mistake about the actual deaths in Iraq. The instructor sugar coated it, but she knew it was something confidential and was shown in error.

    So this comes out today, about there being more deaths than reported

    I am looking for what I thought I heard Bush say......do we believe a report or do we believe our government.........something like that.

    http://www.playfuls.com/news_10_1511-655000-Iraqis-Dead-Because-of-the-US-Invasion.html

    Wednesday in Geneva, the top United Nations humanitarian aid official, Jan Egeland, said the violence in Iraq is going unchecked, claiming about 100 lives per day.
  • Beardo
    Beardo
    about there being more deaths than reported

    The horrors continue over there daily and it wouldnt surprise me at all to know that there have been 1000s more people killed than has been reported by the " press " (state-owned monkeys that they mostly are).

    Have a look at the situation concerning the use of depleted Uranium over there as well - the horror show has only just begun !

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I talked with my daughter more today, stories we never hear about that she heard from soldiers returning from Iraq are chilling.

    I can't help but think of what these young kids will have in thier minds when they do return.

    purps

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    I am not sure who to believe on these body counts. The Bush Admin.'s number seems too low. I am confident in guessing 600,000 deaths is too high. Either way, my opinion is the war was not justified and neither is one death that has resulted from it. I still plan on voting against every incumbent, regardless of party, Nov. 7.

  • hambeak
    hambeak

    Actually I learn more on the internet BBC news than the American media

  • Mr. Kim
    Mr. Kim

    Regardless of what you may think: www.infowars.com

    Accurate site....................

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Alex Jones is quite a guy. I think he is more accurate than main stream.

    www.prisonplanet.com is another of his sites.

  • zagor
    zagor
    655 000 Iraqis

    Jesus Christ, that leaves Bosnia in dust

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    That figure is a statistical extrapolation based on interviewing 1,849 Iraqi families.

    Now, if the stratification of the sampling was not properly done, and I doubt it was, then the estimate is worthless. Disraeli is oft quoted as saying "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics." The reason he said that is that even in his days there were so many way to make the statistics say what the researcher wanted that they couldn't be relied on for the truth when politics were the objective. And make no mistake, politics are the objective of the, so called, study which arrived at that number.

    That study was done by some folks at John Hopkins and the sample was apparently based on data collected in areas which eight Iraqi Phsycians had access to. These folks have done the same kind of study before, one in which they concluded that over 100,000 people had been killed in Iraq during the first 18 months of the war alone. That study admitted to a mide margin of error and I have no doubt that the same applies to this study as well (the lancet article reports a confidence level of 95% of 393,000 to 943,000 excess Iraqi deaths in the current study, thats a pretty wide margin of error and a fairly low confidence level as medical research goes). The study is conducted by "cluster sampling" in areas which are accessible. That is, the country was divided into zones of equal population size and accessible points where picked within those zones then, "clusters" of families near those points were interviewed (the study says the points picked were random, but lets get real here, access to the point was more important than randomness for obvious reasons). Thus, the methodology of the sampling does not lend itself to a very accurate statistical estimate.

    The timing of the publication of the study, as well as the journal in which it was published, both make the purpose of the study and its conclusions suspect as well. I find it interesting that the UN and everybody else over there put the numbers from a low reported by the military of around 50,000 to a high of between 60-70,000. Nobody on the ground over there, including those who'd like to discredit the US, report numbers anywhere appraoching even the low end of the Hopkins study. Since the first contraversial study by this group was also published in 2004, during the presidential campain, I think the motivation behind this work is clear, it is nothing more than a political hatchet job.

    Forscher

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    jayhawk

    Thanks for the site. From what I have heard, I too believe he is writing it more like it is. Soldiers are coming home and telling their experiances.

    It's a sad situation for all involved.

    purps

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