Will the Mystery be solved....

by lisavegas420 5 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • lisavegas420

    Back in the 80's, I remember my sister telling me that Apostates had taken over bethel and was writing the mags for a period of time. I thought...how could Jehovah allow that to happen. Even though I was physically out, I wasn't mentally out...... Then I learned of Raymond Franz. Read his book and knew why it was said that apostates took over bethel. Mystery solved!

    But there are others....

    In the late '90's , I heard a story of a young man that was in the air force. His parents were JW's and he had left the religion. So the story went, that he had ran his plane into the Colorado Mountains. Also the story went on to say that his plane had bombs in them, but after the accident, the bombs were never located. I found this link about the story: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D02E3DD1F3CF936A15751C1A96E958260 and wondered if any one knew any more details. Were the bombs ever found? Are his parents still in the truth?

    Then there was the story about two brothers that killed the JW parents and brother. I couldn't find a new article on the brothers, but I did find a blog talking about the incident. http://blogs.starwars.com/darthmorbus/3 Again...does anyone have any more information? Wonder where the boys are now?


  • lisavegas420

    Well I don't know why that link isn't working right. Here is the first story:

    Airman's Flight to His Death Is Laid to Mental Anguish

    By JAMES BROOKE Published: December 25, 1998

    The Air Force pilot who flew his attack jet into a Colorado mountainside last year was in mental turmoil over ''unrequited love'' for a former girlfriend and over his mother's Christian pacifist faith, a ''psychological autopsy'' by the Air Force has concluded.

    Air Force officials found last year, basically for lack of a better explanation, that the 32-year-old pilot, Capt. Craig D. Button, committed suicide when, on April 2, 1997, he broke formation from his unit instead of proceeding on a training run and then flew from southern Arizona to the Colorado Rockies.

    But the psychological report, which was released earlier this month because of legally enforceable requests made by The Tucson Citizen under the Freedom of Information Act, was an effort to explain why. It was based on interviews with about 200 people -- friends, fellow fliers and relatives.

    A separate section of the report deals with another mystery surrounding the flight: what ever happened to the four 500-pound bombs that were on board the plane? They were never found, and loud explosions in northern Arizona and near the Colorado mountain towns of Telluride and Aspen that were heard by 58 witnesses cited in the report indicate that Captain Button may have dumped them.

    The bombs were to have been used in the training run, in what would have been the first time that Captain Button had ever dropped live ordnance.

    The pilot's parents, Richard and Joan Button of Massapequa, N.Y., angrily reject the conclusion that he committed suicide.

    ''They pulled that out of a hat: that he must have done it himself, which I think is a lie,'' Mr. Button said in a telephone interview.

    Mr. Button, who served in the Air Force during World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War before retiring as a lieutenant colonel, noted that his son's plane broke from formation just after it had been refueled in the air.

    ''There must have been some kind of air contamination,'' Mr. Button said, suggesting that his son had been stricken by fumes from the jet fuel. ''We think he was disoriented, that he wasn't able to control his airplane for a period of time. We think that caused the accident.''

    At the crash site, just below the summit of a 13,365-foot-high granite peak in the Holy Cross Wilderness, a vast tract of national forest near Vail, investigators looking at the possibility suggested by Mr. Button did not recover enough human remains to determine whether his son had suffered from carbon monoxide poisoning. (They did conclude that he had not been using drugs or alcohol before the crash.)

    But, in discounting an accident resulting from disorientation or loss of consciousness, the investigators noted that well after the refueling, Captain Button's A-10 Thunderbolt climbed from an altitude of 6,000 feet and threaded its way through 14,000-foot-high peaks.

    An avid skier, Captain Button had skied in the Colorado Rockies, had been reprimanded by the Air Force for often going out of his way to fly over the Rockies and had talked of one day leaving the Air Force to fly commercial jets out of Denver. On his final flight, Craig Button, a New York City native, roared over New York Lake at 300 miles an hour, passed within two miles of Craig Mountain and crashed into Gold Dust Peak.

    The Air Force report -- which was released only after the service's Office of Special Investigations had blackened out the names of almost everyone interviewed -- sketches a picture of a ''perfectionist'' who was inwardly torn by his relationships with his mother and a former girlfriend.

    Craig Button, it says, reared as an only child of elderly parents, broke as a teen-ager with his parents' faith. His mother was a Jehovah's Witness, and his father had joined the denomination after retiring from the Air Force.

    ''My mother is a Jehovah's Witness, raised me to think that joining the military is wrong,'' Craig Button wrote to a commander as a 23-year-old Air Force R.O.T.C. cadet at the New York Institute of Technology in Old Westbury, N.Y.

    Airman's Flight to His Death Is Laid to Mental Anguish

    By JAMES BROOKE Published: December 25, 1998

    And an old classmate from the R.O.T.C. program told an Air Force investigator that Mrs. Button ''would not allow him to wear his R.O.T.C. uniform in the house.''

    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, a Jehovah's Witness group that arranged the telephone interview with Mr. Button, provided this statement on the denomination's faith and military service: ''Jehovah's Witnesses choose to abide by the principle outlined in the Bible to 'beat their swords into plowshares.' However, they do not interfere with or oppose individuals who choose to serve in the military.''

    In any event, the pilot's half-sister, Susane Button, told an investigator that his mother had wanted him ''to leave the military for the airlines.''

    And Lieut. Brian Gross, a pilot who shared an apartment with Captain Button at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, near Tucson, Ariz., said that in the month before he disappeared, his ''mother became increasingly vocal in her negative feelings towards her son's job and role in the military.''

    Captain Button revered his father and his father's half-brother, Lieut. Donald Hurlburt. Lieutenant Hurlburt, a B-17 pilot who flew over Germany in World War II, was killed when he crashed in Florida in 1943. Hurlburt Field, an Air Force base in Florida, is named for him.

    But in the weeks before Captain Button's crash, he seemed to some people to have become disillusioned with his life in the military. Questioned by an investigator, a former landlord in Texas recalled that in two telephone conversations before his death, the pilot seemed ''out of character,'' saying he was ''learning to kill people.''

    Mrs. Button has declined to be interviewed by reporters about her son's death. But she talked with Air Force investigators on April 17, 1997, two weeks after his plane's disappearance and nearly two weeks before his remains were found.

    ''She advised there were no arguments with her son over religion during their visit in Tucson,'' the Air Force interviewer wrote, referring to a weeklong visit by the parents that ended, apparently amicably, one week before Captain Button's last flight.

    In the telephone interview, his father said that Captain Button had got along well with his mother during the visit and that he had talked enthusiastically about a coming transfer to Germany. ''There were no arguments between the two,'' Richard Button said. ''There were no flare-ups, no extreme arguments relating to any faith.''

    Another source of turmoil for the young pilot, the report said, was a ''lost love'' for a former classmate who three years earlier had turned down his vague proposal of marriage. By 1996, the captain was telling his friends that he had got over this woman, who at that point was an Air Force flight instructor. But around Christmas 1996, the woman, who was coming out of another relationship, called him.

    Later, the captain told a friend that he had thrown away her Christmas card unread, proof, he said, that he had got over the relationship. But on Tuesday, April 1, 1997, he broke a three-month silence and called her. She was in a work meeting but took down his new telephone number and said she would call him back. Just the day before, Captain Button had bought a videocassette recorder and a copy of ''The Bridges of Madison County,'' one of his favorite movies, about a doomed love affair.

    It was not until four days after the crash that the woman, apparently unaware that he had disappeared, returned his call.

    The Air Force report concludes, ''It was a dramatic example of a man who seems to have everything going for him in his life, yet cannot have the woman he loves passionately.'' Referring to the male lead in the movie, the report adds, ''Did Craig Button see himself in this Clint Eastwood role?

  • lisavegas420

    here an excert from the second link...again this is in someone blog:

    I think of two nazi skinhead brothers in my old neighborhood of Allentown, Pennsylvania, who with a cousin beat to death their parents and little brother, as they slept. Their mother had sold one of the brothers' car because he owed her money, and the family had lived in constant fear of the boys, whom they had raised as Jehovah's Witnesses.

    I certainly don't intend to condemn the Watchtower Society here; that's not where I'm taking this. Frankly, Witnesses are typically a pacifistic bunch, so the development of two Berserker Skins from a family like this has always rather shocked me, and I've known many Witnesses. How does this happen?

    I would say that it all goes to show that any faith system will sometimes lose to external influences in society: hateful and evil things such as hate groups, which exhibit many of the characteristics of cults, often will obliterate the positive influences of parents' faith and take an evil root in a child. I've seen some of the best parents lose their kids to negative influences, and we know that some of the best Jedi have lost their pupils to the Dark Side... or even their Masters, as in the case of Qui-Gon Jinn and his former master Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus.
  • fullofdoubtnow

    I've seen the one about the two brothers beating their parents to death before. I seem to remember it being posted on here some time ago, possibly by Danny Haszard, you could check his site to see.

    I've never heard of the story of the air force pilot before though.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    The one about the 2 boys who killed their parents and little bro is true. When I was at bethel this incident occured, they were living in Pensilvania. here's the kicker the parents were both former bethelites who of course had left to raise a family.

  • AuldSoul

    If I remember correctly, jst2laws and joyzabel knew the parents of the skinheads.


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