Taliban, Lot, and Men of Sodom

by GinnyTosken 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    DannyBear,

    I agree that country of residence or birth should not matter. Any who aid and abet terrorism should be restrained.

    My point in posting this information is that to defeat this radical Islamic mindset, especially to eradicate it long-term, you must first understand it.

    It may be that bin Laden and the Taliban comprise the head of the snake. I'm not so sure. My feeling is that they are convenient, tangible targets for a country that very much needs to give its enemy a face, that needs an outlet for its anger and grief. We do not like grappling with a faceless, murky monster.

    If we did not have bin Laden and the Taliban, what would the U.S. do? Target Saudi Arabia? The United Arab Emirates? Iraq?

    I fear that the U.S. is trying to punish primarily one country for actions of individuals. This paragraph from the New York Times sums up my feelings well:

    In Moscow, an influential parliamentarian, Aleksei G. Arbatov, said although the consensus there was "total moral support" for the United States and the struggle against terrorism, there also existed a strong humanitarian concern "not to resort to massive strikes, to nonselective actions which are unjustified from the moral point of view, to avenge the death of thousands of innocent people with the deaths of tens of thousands of other innocent people."

    I also feel that chasing bin Laden and giving him so much importance is just what he craves. I would not give him what he wants, nor would I chase him. What deeply bothered him before was an American presence in Saudi Arabia. Let Saudi Arabia show its support by allowing American troops to once again enter Saudi Arabia. Ignore Afghanistan for now. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda will emerge.

    Meanwhile, allow the Islamic world to express its outrage at bin Laden's behavior, quoting heavily from the Quran, exposing the flaws in the radical mindset. If this is done soon, it could be especially effective since Muslims will observe Ramadan between November 16 and December 14, a time of fasting and prayerful contemplation.

    http://www.submission.org/about-R.html

    If the U.S. wants to be religious, drop the "God Bless America" and emphasize how our prophet Jesus admonished us to return evil for evil to no one. Outdo the most fundamentalist Muslim in being excrutiatingly careful to be just and fair in this case. Take away the expected face of the enemy from the barkers of radical Islam, and the movement will lose its motive power. An enemy is a strong unifier. In this sense, Satan has always been much more powerful than Jesus.

    Grunt,

    I agree, it is a very warped and twisted mindset in which one can kill without guilt yet have a law against kites because they distract from prayerful contemplation and worry about the law of sacred hospitality. The Taliban considers itself the only pure followers of Islam. More liberal Muslims are viewed as corrupted apostates and must be destroyed. Sound familiar?

    I can't say that it will break my heart if the Taliban is routed from Afghanistan--if the loss of civilian lives is minimal. When I indulge myself in thoughts of revenge, it is not for the terrorism at the WTC and Pentagon, but for the atrocities you describe committed by the Taliban against the Afghan citizens. I fantasize that a woman will fly the fighter plane that gets the Taliban. I think it would also be poetic justice if a woman prime minister headed Afghanistan afterwards.

    Vengeful fantasies aside, I think it would be much more effective long-term if the Muslim world itself exposes, confronts, and eradicates the Taliban.

    Ginny

  • Grunt
    Grunt

    Ginny,
    I think Iraq is a part of it and will be required to pay, yet again, for the sins of their leader. I think the Taliban are done no matter what we do, as they have allowed their country to get beyond the point of no return in regards to food and basic needs. They exist, dependant on the "Kindness of Strangers." I saw that due to a pledge by the USA lots of food and blankets are being sent in to the squallid refugee camps the fleeing Afghans have on their borders where they are forced to huddle by their co-religionists, strange that we are helping those who hate us so much. As beggars and objects of pity, I would think that they would have a difficult time lasting more than another year or two at the current rate of descent. The country would be empty by then and most of the Warriors could be dreaming of driving cabs in the USA. As for women having a role, I can't understand why that is so impossible, every man there has a mother, or a wife or a daughter. Yet as of now they will amputate part of a finger if a woman wears fingernail polish, convict her of adultery if she is seen with a man other than her husband or a male relative, bury her up to her shoulders in dirt and then stone her to death. She is not to leave her home unescorted by a male relative without being killed or flogged. If they were Americans such treatment by a man would indicate that his wife is not to be trusted and must be watched. Maybe they know what kind of husbands they are. Bin Laden's coming from a dysfunctional family with fifty some odd brothers and sisters probably had something to do with all his head problems. What kind of father could you be to fifty plus children? Maybe the suicide thing is really a desire to punish themselves for the crap they perpetrate on the helpless women in their charge. I hope so. The death of the perpetrators is the only good thing about their crimes. I hate to see the peasants bombed and hope they all manage to run over the borders as millions have already done. Still, if murderers live in a house and come out and kill your family, then I say burn the damn house down. I would really like to see salt plowed into what fertile, well watered land that they have to leave it barren. Give their fellow Moslems a chance to gain favor with Allah by taking them in. I think the closed borders speak to how well they want to follow the injunction you quoted. When I think of the videos of the people falling to their deaths in New York and the celebrations in some of these counties, I find I am all too willing to let them stew in their own juices, only adding that pinch of salt just mentioned.

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