Awesom Alan, Thanks for the schoolin' ;) I see it now, I guess I had gotten myself confused. I really need to get all my notes in some sort of order. I have been really trying to question all aspects of this subject and I think I just got my head up my own a**. lol With your help and the help of the Good Lord and a long handled fork I have gotten back to where I started with this zero year thing. Thanks also for the extended explanation of the change fiasco. To everyone else, VM JWfacts etal...thanks and I really am not stupid but I do play stupid on TV! If any of you are ever in houston, let me know and I will buy you a beer! cheers, -r