Witnesses cannot refute the real "TRUTH"

by integ 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • integ
    integ

    No matter what any pompass ass witness says about the religion being the "Truth", they cannot refute the simple fact that NOTHING they have ever predicted has come true. That's a pretty poor record for Gods' chosen people. Oh sure they can point to lame obvious things such as " critical times getting harder to deal with" (even THAT is debatable), but NO HARD FACTS to point to that show they are right, or have EVER BEEN.

    Here are some points that witnesses tend to point to as "facts":

    - We have the truth about the resurrection...oh really? what hard evidence can you point to that verifies that?...still waiting.

    - The end of this system is just around the corner....Oh yeah??? You've been saying that for over a hundred years...Still waiting for that one too.

    You see, the witnesses are WRONG until proven RIGHT. Plain and simple. If the Great Day of God the Almighty does come, and he chooses to obliterate all "non-beleivers" and usher in a "New System of Things" and a" Paradise Earth" THEN AND ONLY THEN, will the witnesses be shown as being 'right' about ANYTHING that isn't ridiculously obvious.

    It's like me making a prediction that; "in 3 days there will continue to be wars in the world". Whoa..I really stepped out on that one. Now if I'm right, do i deserve everyones' un-dying support and trust with their lives?

    I defy any witness, troll, or "lurker", to point to ONE SINGLE THING that the witnesses have EVER predicted that has come true...(that isn't some blatantly obvious event or circumstance that any idiot could predict.)

    The witness record for accurate predictions is the worst in world history..."But we are the only ones talking about the end of the system"...SO WHAT??? It hasn't happened yet, HAS IT???

    No facts. Just failures. And until the 'end' does come, you will always be WRONG!!!

    ...and THAT my friends is actually a 'FACT', as compared to the witness self indulgent, grandiose, fantasies.

    Thanks,

    Integ.

  • I_am_an_idiot
    I_am_an_idiot

    In 1942, Nathan Knorr gave the speach 'Peace, can it last?'. Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

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  • sir82
    sir82
    Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

    Dude....you seriously think the United Nations is the same thing as the League of Nations??!!??

    I think you should check out a history book or 2...the JWs are the only organization on the face of the earth that even remotely connects the 2 organizations, beyond superficial appearances.

  • Theocrat
    Theocrat
    Dude....you seriously think the United Nations is the same thing as the League of Nations??!!??

    I think you should check out a history book or 2...the JWs are the only organization on the face of the earth that even remotely connects the 2 organizations, beyond superficial appearances.



    You're joking right?

    If not, then you might want to revisit the history books. After the Germans signed the Armistice in November 1918, Woodrow Wilson went to Paris to try to establish some peace. Right after that, he presented to the Senate the Versailles Treaty, containing the Covenant of the "League of Nations". It was there that he made his legendary quote: "Dare we reject it and break the heart of the world?"

  • FairMind
    FairMind
    In 1942, Nathan Knorr gave the speech 'Peace, can it last?’ Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

    Yes, but at the time Knorr gave his speech it was public knowledge that plans to form another organization such as the League of Nations were under way. So the WTS’ prediction was an educated and calculated one.

    On the topic of “truth” I once incurred the ire of the TMS overseer by saying that facts were the truth and that Jehovah was a God of facts. Anything other than facts are speculations that may or may not be true.

  • Spectrum
    Spectrum

    Did they not predict that either the Soviet Union or the USA would fall by likening one to the king of the north?

    I left long before the Soviet Union disintegrated, when it happened I thought, that's it I'm toast, I gambled and lost.

  • blondie
    blondie
    In 1942, Nathan Knorr gave the speach 'Peace, can it last?'. Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

    In January of 1942, the Declaration of the United Nations was set up. http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/constitutions/un/e_united_nations_declaration_1942.htm

    Declaration by the United Nations

    January 1, 1942

    A Joint Declaration by the United States, the United Kingdom, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, China, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, India, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Poland, South Africa, Yugoslavia

    The Governments signatory hereto,

    Having subscribed to a common program of purposes and principles embodied in the Joint Declaration of the President of the United States of America and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland dated August 14, 1941, known as the Atlantic Charter.

    Being convinced that complete victory over their enemies is essential to defend life, liberty, independence and religious freedom, and to preserve human rights and justice in their own lands as well as in other lands, and that they are now engaged in a common struggle against savage and brutal forces seeking to subjugate the world,

    DECLARE:

    (1) Each Government pledges itself to employ its full resources, military or economic, against those members of the Tripartite Pact:and its adherents with which such government is at war.

    (2) Each Government pledges itself to cooperate with the Governments signatory hereto and not to make a separate armistice or peace with the enemies.

    The foregoing declaration may be adhered to by other nations which are, or which may be, rendering material assistance and contributions in the struggle for victory over Hitlerism.

    Done at Washington

    January First, 1942

    [The signatories to the Declaration by United Nations are as listed above.]

    The adherents to the Declaration by United Nations, together with the date of communication of adherence, are as follows:

    Mexico June 5, 1942

    Peru Feb. 11, 1945

    Philippines June 10, 1942

    Chile Feb. 12, 1945

    Ethiopia July 28, 1942

    Paraguay Feb. 12, 1945

    Iraq Jan. 16, 1943

    Venezuela Feb. 16, 1945

    Brazil Feb. 8, 1943

    Uruguay Feb. 23, 1945

    Bolivia Apr. 27, 1943

    Turkey Feb. 24, 1945

    Iran Sept. 10, 1943

    Egypt Feb. 27, 1945

    Colombia Dec. 22, 1943

    Saudi Arabia Mar. 1, 1945

    Liberia Feb. 26, 1944

    Lebanon Mar. 1, 1945

    France Dec. 26, 1944

    Syria Mar. 1, 1945

    Ecuador Feb. 7, 1945

    All Nathan had to do was read the paper. He gave is talk on much later in 1942.

    *** w60 7/15 p. 444 Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ***

    Yes, the "faithful and discreet slave" was awake to the coming of 1914. In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah’s unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up.

    Yet Rutherford predicted that:

    The indisputable facts are that the Roman Catholic Hierarchy has stooped wholly to political methods to gain control of the world,.... These facts, which cannot be disputed, disclose the Roman Catholic Hierarchy's determination to act as a kind of spiritual super-government over the dictators of the world, forming a part of the monstrosity,... Now Germany is in an alliance with the Papacy, and Great Britain is rapidly moving in that direction. The United States of America, once the bulwark of democracy, is all set to become a part of the totalitarian rule. [13]

    Thus the indisputable facts are, that there is now in the earth Satan's dictatorial monstrosity,... that such totalitarian, arbitrary rule is fully supported by the Hierarchy... [14]

    When the totalitarian Catholic combine gains control of the British Isles, which it is certain to do, then all the liberties of the people will be at an end.... What will be the condition when all nations become totalitarian? [15]

    The giant Goliath,... pictured the totalitarian Hierarchy combine that is now bluffing all nations with the determination of forcing them to yield to dictatorial rule.... David engaged the giant in combat and slew him, thus disclosing what is now in progress and what God through Christ Jesus, the antitypical David, will do to the totalitarian combine at Armageddon.

    Let the Hierarchy, including the pope, together with all others that form the totalitarian, dictatorial rule, the representatives of which are now listening to this speech,... now take notice. To such opponents we now say: "Today you stand before the judgment seat of Christ,... the Lord's final judgment has been entered against you and you are going to die. You... have permitted the Devil to gather you to Armageddon, the battle of the great day of God Almighty. (Revelation 16: 13-16) The final showdown has come.... At the battle of Armageddon Christ Jesus, leading his invincible army, will slay you and give your dead carcasses to the wild beasts of the earth,... [16]

    The totalitarian combine is going to get control of England and America. You cannot prevent it. Do not try. [17]

    13. Rutherford, J. F., Face the Facts, 1938, p. 16.

    14. Ibid., p. 17.

    15. Ibid., pp. 20, 21.

    16. Ibid., pp. 23, 24.

    17. Ibid., p. 27.

    http://www.premier1.net/~raines/armageddon.html

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    In 1942, Nathan Knorr gave the speach 'Peace, can it last?'. Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

    In 1941, the Watchtower also predicted in a series of articles (entitled "Demon-Rule Ending") that WWII would end with the USA and Great Britain become totalitarian governments like Nazi Germany (through the efforts of the Fifth Column), at which point the hostilities cease and the Axis and Allied powers enter into a peace treaty and proclaim world peace. There would thus not be a decisive victory for either side. This "new world order" (yes, the Society actually used that phrase) would be put in effect by the totalitarians through a "new League of Nations" expected by its authors to last forever, but which will shortly thereafter be destroyed in Armageddon.

    These expectations failed miserably. WWII did not end this way. A later United Nations came into being, but it was not constructed as a totalitarian government, after the current US government and British governments had been toppled. The world totalitarianism prophesied in these articles was more Orwellian than democratic. Knorr's talk is based on these views published just months earlier. To say that the prediction was a success is to miss the overall context.

    BTW, the use of the term "United Nations" in the talk is NOT to be confused with the post-war UN. The term began to be used in 1942 to refer to the Allied powers united in their fight against fascism. The development of the Atlantic Charter in early 1942 may have led Knorr to revise Rutherford's expectations of a world totalitarianism, tho in the talk and in the subsequent booklet he was vague as to the character of this future world government (other than the fact that it would be led by the Papacy, who was believed to the real totalitarian power behind Nazism and Mussolini).

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    In 1942, Nathan Knorr gave the speach 'Peace, can it last?'. Using Revelation chapter 17, he predicted that the League of Nations would rise again. He specifically said that this new organization would rise after WWII. This came true.

    I like your screen name. It suits you.

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