Mary Magdalene

by I-follow-the-narrow-path 62 Replies latest jw experiences

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR
    I did not realize I was raging. I was just saying I don't believe it is that important if Jesus was married or not. It won't change ;the faith of most believers, but ;maybe ;I'm wrong on that. I don't think the Catholic church or any other will crumble if he was married.

    I honestly did not know who Dan Brown is, as I have not nor do I have any plans on reading the ;book by him or seeing the Tom Hanks movie. Not for any other reason than I just don't want to. I may chose differantly in the future ut who knows. I seened to upset you whit what I said so I am sorry.

    2112: I just found it odd that you called the advocation of Jesus' single status "legalism." As I mentioned, there is universal consensus that there is no evidence supporting Jesus being married. I also pointed out that when given a chance to portray Jesus as being married, Paul doesn't, but refers to Peter's marital status. However, that is only scholarly consensus & evidence. Those are obviously not as important as opinion.

    No, you didn't "upset" me." You amused me. I just find it amusing that there are people that will state something verbatim from The DaVinci Code one moment, and then the next claim that they don't know who Dan Brown is or what The DaVinci Code is.

  • jw
    jw

    Well if Jesus had done it with Mary Magdalene then there would have been no need to complete GODS plan to die as a perfect human being to give us life back.

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    jw,

    You said: "Well if Jesus had done it with Mary Magdalene then there would have been no need to complete GODS plan to die as a perfect human being to give us life back."





    The logic is not complete, though. Jesus could have been married and had no children. Jesus could have been married and had children. Or, Jesus could have set an example by choosing to live as a eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom. Or as Paul said once, husbands with wives could live as though they had none. Perhaps you are aware that the Watchtower publications claimed that Charles Russell lived this way with his wife, Maria. (The WT indicates that they never had sex.)

    Your statement doesn't include this, but even if he had children, what would stop a perfect man with children from dying on the stauros to provide the ransom? It seems like it's just a guess, or you are merely parroting back an old idea from a WT that was never explained.

    Gamaliel

  • 2112
    2112

    XJW4EVR-

    Sorry for the confusion, I was not saying it was legalism to insist he was single, but rather to insist either position when the Bible is not specific on the issue. You do make a graet point about Paul. I still don't think that Paul "proves" the issuse one way or the other, but your reasoning makes good since to me. As far as stating somthing verbatim from the book, maybe I should read it? Would it really be worth the time? Will it change my mind about the Death, Burial, and resurection of Christ, I don't think so, Other than that is the story at least entertaining or is it just trying to prove a point?

  • jw
    jw

    Gamaliel

    There is no evidence of a marriage, so duh if he had done it with her he would have sinned.

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    jw,

    OK. I understand. I agree that there should have been more talk and more interest in his wife, etc, if he actually had married. But there is also a lack of evidence about much of Jesus' life. Someone already mentioned that his own brothers would have been expected to marry and have children. We also know very little about them. (Actually, Eusebius gives us hints that the early church thought about Jesus "bloodline" to the extent that he claims they considered ALL of Jesus' brothers as possible candidates for the position of leadership that his brother James took in Jerusalem - just a few weeks after the Gospel accounts had labeled him an unbeliever.)

    Some books about this in the past 30 years have argued that it would have been more of a scandal had Jesus NOT been married. But Paul seems to explain this with the idea that centrist Christianity was already putting a value on LACK of marriage, "EUNUCH's for the Kingdom", marry only if inflamed with passion, husbands with wives be as though they had none, etc. The story of Paul and Thecla (early Christian "novella" that came out of the 130's or so at the earliest gives more evidence that some Christians valued celibacy. Of Peter, James and John at least, it would appear that only Peter was married, or at least only Peter brought his wife down to Jerusalem. Perhaps he only meant that the others may have left theirs in Galilee, perhaps as Rutherford left his in California "for the sake of the Kingdom" (Bethel).

    We know very little of Jesus' life from birth to age 30-ish. We don't know for sure about whether his father had died. We don't know if his wife had also died and Jesus own strict beliefs about no remarriage had in fact suited him perfectly for his ministry. If he had had a wife who was still alive at the time, would she have necessarily been a follower? Didn't Jesus say that his teaching had produced a sword in families, and divided husband and wife, mother-in-law and daughter-in-law.

    By the way, some of the proponents of Jesus' supposed marriage in the last 30 or 40 years have offered the idea that the wedding of Cana is actually a reference to Jesus own wedding, but that giving all the specifics of this wedding would have drawn too much attention to Jesus' personal life. It would have invaded the privacy of his family. It would have distracted from the real import and meaning of his public ministry. That would be the same explanation as to why we don't have much secular information about Jesus life and family. Mentioning anything secular would have just resulted in a lot of unnecessary selling of "Christian" relics and artifacts. As it was, you could still buy a "guaranteed to be real" piece of the "cross" he died on up until the 1400's.

    Gamaliel

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR
    As far as stating somthing verbatim from the book, maybe I should read it? ; Would it really be worth the time? ; Will it change my mind about the Death, Burial, and resurection of Christ, I don't think so, Other than that is the story at least entertaining or is it just trying to prove a point? ; ;

    I have read. It's not Hemingway or Salinger, but it's a fun read, ie. mind candy.

    I don't know your view on the deth, burial & resurrection of Jesus, so it's hard for me to say. I am a believer, and I merely laughed at Leagh Teabing (a major character in the book), and is anti-Christian rants.

    I think that Brown wrote something to get people talking about Christianity. He succeeded.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    xjwforever,

    Yes. Ha. Ha. Leigh Teabing--a man with a dark side purportedly exposing the dark side of Christianity. Little wonder he was unworthy to find the Grail!

  • heathen
    heathen

    I just saw the movie myself and frankly was not overwelmed by it in the least . First off , what was the idea of the guy dying in the beginning and he had time to draw things all over the museum in his own blood ? Now I have to say that's a little too much to accept there . I think it's possible there was a group that wanted to undermine the churches tyranny by attempting to prove jesus was just a man much like today people will even take up evolution . Looking at the paintings again it does appear that Devinci was showing a female figure at the last supper . I like the way they moved the figure around on the 3 D picture to show that it really belonged on the other side of jesus . Devinci was already a heretic because he didn't believe in the trinity so I think a strong possibility that he was involved in some sort of secretive cult group. Anyway wish I'd have seen MI 3 instead ....

  • 2112
    2112

    XJW4EVR-

    Well from that "review" I will not waist my time. I to am a believer and I hear enough anti-christian thoughts everyday, so I don't need to go looking for them. This has been a good chat. My best to you

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