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by silentlambs 24 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Hi, MadApostate,

    I don’t know where you plan on taking this discussion of yours, or why. My participation on this subject thread was for the sole purpose of asserting that opinion of common folks is not as irrelevant as some want to make them. This is the seedbed of law.

    By the way, any single trial judge's decision(s) are reviewable (can be overturned) by an appellate court.

    I don’t know what this is supposed to mean either, MadApostate. It is a true statement, but so are these:

    In the USA,

    1. Any appellate court ruling can be overturned.

    2. Any state Supreme Court ruling can be overturned.

    3. Any federal Supreme Court ruling can be overturned.

    4. Any legislation can be overturned.

    So what?

    These are all true because of a version of what I said before: what is law today is another man’s emotional hype; tomorrow, if enough people decide a law is emotional hype then that law will be overturned. This is an integral part of the process of law.

    In the case heading this thread there were apparently some court rulings made early in the process. Those rulings may or may not find recognition later as precedent in some form, I don’t know. One thing I do know is this: neither of us gets to decide it.

    So, what is your point? What are we arguing here? If you are intent to argue for sake of arguing, count me out.

    Your education assumptions and assertions: why do you do it?

    This is a place of casual conversation. Do you really expect anyone here to take time to prepare a proper legal brief for your sake? I don’t have the time or inclination for this, and I doubt any other participant here does either. So why make an issue of it? Why don’t you just see a conversation for what it is: people sharing thoughts? If you have thoughts, share them. But, again, why the assumptions and assertions about education? Do you want in or out? Should any of us care about your views of our education? Do you even know what country is my native soil? Do you have any guess as to my native tongue? What really do you know about me to make assumptions as you have? Please, enlighten us all. Please. I would really like to see your educated answers about what you know of my life, area of education and level of education.

  • SusanHere
    SusanHere

    Silentlambs,

    AMEN.

    Susan

  • Bridgette
    Bridgette

    Dear Mr. Shilmer,
    There are people who are so low on psychic energy that they literally must "feed" on others by drawing their energy. They are not evil, they are simply deplete. Most do not know WHAT or much less WHY they do what they do. They are just splintered, fractured souls. They draw on others by illiciting emotion in others. They do this by pouting, shaming, bullying (the org does this as a collective, I believe--they must feed on your shame, guilt and fear to feed the collective). It is a sickness. One of the favorite tactics of psychic vampires is to stir contentions, and anger, because anger is such a powerful energy source, and easy to gather. There is a huge difference between someone who likes to express an opinion, albeit an unpopular one, and an energy vampire. The challenge lies in recognizing the difference, and not bleeding your energy into a futile situation.
    Madapostate, I am not calling you futile. I wish you some desperately needed peace and wholeness. Many of the points you make are valid, but get lost in the vitriole.
    Love and blessings,
    B. :)

  • silentlambs
    silentlambs

    A comment from Mr. Anderson below,

    Mormon church to pay $3M to sex abuse victim

    By C.G. Wallace

    Sept. 5, 2001 | SALT LAKE CITY (AP) --

    The Mormon church has agreed to pay $3 million to an Oregon man who claims the church did too little to protect him from sexual abuse by a pedophile.

    Despite the settlement announced Tuesday, church attorney Von Keetch said the denomination's officials are not accepting any blame for the abuse. He said the payment was simply cheaper than pursuing the case in court.

    Jeremiah Scott, 22, sued The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after a fellow church member was convicted of repeatedly sexually abusing him in Portland, Ore., when he was 11.

    The suit claimed Gregory Lee Foster, then a bishop of the church, knew Franklin Richard Curtis had a history of sexually abusing children dating back to the 1970s, but did not warn Scott's mother before she allowed Curtis to move into their home. The case was scheduled to go to trial this fall.

    "As long as they continue to deny responsibility they will not change their ways and as long as they do not change their ways they will continue to pay settlements," said Scott's attorney, Jeff Anderson. "This is a church that has given safe harbor to pedophiles and continues to protect child abusers."

    Curtis, who was 87 at the time of the abuse, was arrested and convicted of first-degree sex abuse and given probation in 1994. He died in 1995.

    Curtis had been excommunicated from another ward in Oregon for sex abuse. Court records show he was re-baptized in 1984.

    Keetch said the bishop had no knowledge of the sexual abuse. He also said he was disheartened by a ruling in the case that Curtis was a member of the church's clergy because he held the title of "high priest" -- which Keetch said is conferred on most Mormon men in their 40s and carries no leadership responsibility.

    Associated Press

  • StifflersErSlayersBrother
    StifflersErSlayersBrother

    Sorry, this image has been in my head all day when I read this topic...

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