1935 is off and should have never been proclaimed.

by What-A-Coincidence 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • What-A-Coincidence
    What-A-Coincidence

    I don't know if this has been covered but

    you would think that since 33ce, that 144,000 would have been definitely been collected right? So the witnesses are saying that it's taken almost 2000 years to collect 144,000?

    75 anointed per year since 33 ce?

    If everyone before 1935 is of the anointed you definitely would have had more than 144,000 anointed.

    So before 1935 any one was of the anointed right, so that means kids who were baptized were anointed? Something does not jive.

    Personally, i believe the 1935 is off and should have never been proclaimed (amongst other things)

    Besides, the 1935 date is 70 years old. I smell a change since half or more the Governing Body are new boys.

  • ButtLight
    ButtLight
    Besides, the 1935 date is 70 years old. I smell a change since half or more the Governing Body are new boys.

    Well, if someone was just sipping the wine last night and is in his fifties, I would have to say you are right. What a crock! What I dont understand is how witnesses can see that, and not at least wonder how thats possible for someone that young to partake! Oh yeah, the end is right around the corner, and this may be the last memorial, so drink up brothers!

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Even Jaracz (who is barely old enough, if baptized very young) was in his late teens when his parents learned the lies. The whole Governing Body membership is 2/3 post-1935 partakers. Why should we believe that statistic is not MUCH more true (5/4 or 19/20) among the rest of the partakers? And on what basis would Theo challenge their partaking? He can't challenge anyone's partaking based on 1935, that's for sure.

    But, they still teach it.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    You are right the whole concept is ridiculous though it tries to greatly elevate the significance of the JWs in a grandiose way.

    If we do the sums the JWs contributed 52000 out of the 144000 anointed that is over one third and astonishingly they did so in just a few decades so despite their late appearence on the world scene they are a very important lot.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    I don't really know how you would calculate it, greendawn They don't give the ages of the partakers at any given time. But we can see in the pictures of even very early conventions many elderly in the audience. Are we to imagine many of the people who were anointed in 1879-1935 are still alive, or did ALL of them prove unfaithful?

    Actuarial tables apparently don't take into account the preservative effects of a megadose of Holy Spirit.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Jaracz was baptised in the 1940's so he is in fact a post 1935 "anointed" just like those other two GB members that were infants in 1935.

    Most JW anointed seem to have failed given the large number of replacements. Even now when there should be just a few hundred left there are 8000.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Auld Soul, what number are you refering to that needs to be calculated? As far as I remember the JWs were giving a number of 52000 "anointed" in 1935 whether they cooked it up or if it's real I don't know.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    greendawn,

    For that to be the only modern day anointed, none could have died from 1879-1935. Actuarial statistics say it would be an unreasonable viewpoint to suggest that a not insignificant portion of those early adopters died within the intervening 56 years. Russell, for one, that we know of. And Rutherford not long after 1935. Depending on the age of the person at the point of baptism it is quite likely there were many who died prior to 1935 as life expectancy was shorter at the time.

    Bible Students were not immune to Spanish Influenza, the dustbowl, horrible droughts, flashflooding that cost many thousands of people their lives, or the Great Depression.

    But I agree with your point that even on the LOW estimate of 52,000 that only leaves 92,000 to cover 33 CE to 1935 CE, or about 42 per year. Given the various baptisms referred to in the 1st century, we can bring that number per year between 98 CE and 1935 CE to about 23 per year. That wheat sure knew how to keep a low profile, didn't it? Of course, if we take the references of Christians who died during the 2nd Century as even a healthy percentage true Christians, there are more than 144,000 before reaching 1914, much less 1935.

  • What-A-Coincidence
    What-A-Coincidence

    i got money on them changing this "teaching" in the next 2 years.

    this is freakin' unarguable. even one elder in my hall agrees on this wac () job.

    This is how i bring it up ...

    Isn't it great that the Spirit directed organization said that in 1935 the heavenly calling was closed and that over half of the Governing Body members today were born after 1935?

    that will get there minds to think! shoot, it still gets mine! this line of thinking works cause you are not disagreeing on any doctrinal issues.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w52 1/15 p. 62 Questions from Readers ***

    According to the article "Hated for His Name" in the September 1, 1951, Watchtower, hundreds of thousands of Christians died in the "ten persecutions" starting in Nero’s time, 144,000 dying in Egypt alone during one of the persecutions. How can this be harmonized with the Scriptural limitation of 144,000 placed on the number being in Christ’s body, and which position was the only one open to Christians during those centuries?—J.A., Dominican Republic.

    The article did not class with any finality the individuals that died during these persecutions, but spoke of the results in a general way. Note that a key qualification was made in the case referred to in the question: "In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works." The victims are identified as "professed Christians", not Christians in fact. Many of those persons might have been caught in the wave of persecution, but may never have actually preached the truth or followed in Jesus’ footsteps, being only professed Christians. They knew the world they lived in was rotten and they were listening to the message of the Christians and willing to die for it even though not in line for the high calling in Christ Jesus. Many professed Christians today might be willing to die for their faith, but still not be Jesus’ footstep followers and meeting the Scriptural requirements for such.

    So they are saying the WTS says they couldn't have been REAL Christians.

    But the question surfaces again in 1972

    ***

    w72 7/1 p. 415 Questions from Readers ***

    Large numbers of Christians are said to have been put to death during the Roman persecution in the first few centuries of the Common Era. How, then, is it possible for thousands in this century to have been called to become part of the body of Christ composed of only 144,000 persons?—U.S.A.

    There are historical indications that many Christians were bitterly persecuted, even killed, in the first few centuries. However, it should be remembered that, in itself, a martyr’s death did not give a person merit before Jehovah God nor did it guarantee membership in the heavenly kingdom. Many persons, even in recent times, have been willing to die for a cause, religious or otherwise. A person’s claiming to be a Christian and even dying for his belief does not in itself mean that he is an approved servant of Jehovah God. As the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "If I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all." (1 Cor. 13:3) It is not death, but faithfulness to the very death, that determines whether an individual will receive "the crown of life."—Rev. 2:10.

    AND HERE IS SOME VERY CIRCULAR REASONING

    Thus the fact that today there is still a remnant of the 144,000 on earth would show that down to this twentieth century fewer than 144,000 finished their earthly course in faithfulness.

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